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AGAIN? >>> BUT TO BEGIN, WE ARE FINALLY
>>> BUT TO BEGIN, WE ARE FINALLY GETTING CLOSER TO A VERY
GETTING CLOSER TO A VERY IMPORTANT NUMBER, AND IT'S A BIG
IMPORTANT NUMBER, AND IT'S A BIG ONE.
ONE. IT'S SO BIG THAT IT MAKES
IT'S SO BIG THAT IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE WHY THIS NUMBER
PERFECT SENSE WHY THIS NUMBER WOULD HAVE BEEN DELIBERATELY
WOULD HAVE BEEN DELIBERATELY EXCLUDED FROM ATTORNEY GENERAL
EXCLUDED FROM ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR'S LETTER ABOUT THE MUELLER
BARR'S LETTER ABOUT THE MUELLER REPORT IF, AND I'M ONLY SAYING
REPORT IF, AND I'M ONLY SAYING IF HERE, IF THE ATTORNEY
IF HERE, IF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S LETTER WAS ACTUALLY
GENERAL'S LETTER WAS ACTUALLY TRYING TO MAKE THE MUELLER
TRYING TO MAKE THE MUELLER REPORT SEEM AS FAVORABLE TO THE
REPORT SEEM AS FAVORABLE TO THE PRESIDENT AS POSSIBLE.
PRESIDENT AS POSSIBLE. IF THAT'S WHAT THE ATTORNEY
IF THAT'S WHAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WAS TRYING TO DO, AND WE
GENERAL WAS TRYING TO DO, AND WE DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS, BUT IF
DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS, BUT IF THAT'S WHAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
THAT'S WHAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WAS TRYING TO DO IN THAT LETTER,
WAS TRYING TO DO IN THAT LETTER, ONE THING HE WASN'T GOING TO
ONE THING HE WASN'T GOING TO MENTION IS HOW LONG THE MUELLER
MENTION IS HOW LONG THE MUELLER REPORT ACTUALLY IS, HOW MANY
REPORT ACTUALLY IS, HOW MANY PAGES.
PAGES. MOST OF THE NEWS MEDIA SEEMED TO
MOST OF THE NEWS MEDIA SEEMED TO TREAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S
TREAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S FOUR-PAGE LETTER ABOUT THE
FOUR-PAGE LETTER ABOUT THE MUELLER REPORT TO ACTUALLY BE
MUELLER REPORT TO ACTUALLY BE THE MUELLER REPORT, WHICH OF
THE MUELLER REPORT, WHICH OF COURSE NO ONE IN THE NEWS MEDIA
COURSE NO ONE IN THE NEWS MEDIA HAS ACTUALLY SEEN, SO WHAT IF ON
HAS ACTUALLY SEEN, SO WHAT IF ON THE FIRST PAGE OF THE ATTORNEY
THE FIRST PAGE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S FOUR-PAGE LETTER
GENERAL'S FOUR-PAGE LETTER INSTEAD OF WRITING "THIS REPORT
INSTEAD OF WRITING "THIS REPORT IS ENTITLED REPORT IN THE
IS ENTITLED REPORT IN THE INVESTIGATION INTO RUSSIAN
INVESTIGATION INTO RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016
INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION."
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION." WHAT IF INSTEAD OF THAT THE
WHAT IF INSTEAD OF THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WROTE, "THIS
ATTORNEY GENERAL WROTE, "THIS 900-PAGE REPORT IS ENTITLED
900-PAGE REPORT IS ENTITLED REPORT ON THE INVESTIGATION INTO
REPORT ON THE INVESTIGATION INTO RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016
RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION."
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION." 900 PAGES WOULD HAVE STAGGERED
900 PAGES WOULD HAVE STAGGERED THE NEWS MEDIA.
THE NEWS MEDIA. 700 PAGES WOULD HAVE STAGGERED
700 PAGES WOULD HAVE STAGGERED THE NEWS MEDIA.
THE NEWS MEDIA. 500 PAGES WOULD HAVE STAGGERED
500 PAGES WOULD HAVE STAGGERED THE NEWS MEDIA.
THE NEWS MEDIA. 500 PAGES WOULD HAVE HUMBLED THE
500 PAGES WOULD HAVE HUMBLED THE NEWS MEDIA INTO INSTANTLY
NEWS MEDIA INTO INSTANTLY REALIZING THAT A FOUR-PAGE
REALIZING THAT A FOUR-PAGE LETTER THAT THEY WERE HOLDING
LETTER THAT THEY WERE HOLDING WAS NOT A 500-PAGE MUELLER
WAS NOT A 500-PAGE MUELLER REPORT.
REPORT. BUT THE PAGE COUNT WAS NOT
BUT THE PAGE COUNT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE ATTORNEY
INCLUDED IN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S LETTER DESCRIBING THE
GENERAL'S LETTER DESCRIBING THE MUELLER REPORT AND ARI MELBER
MUELLER REPORT AND ARI MELBER WAS THE FIRST TO RAISE THIS IN
WAS THE FIRST TO RAISE THIS IN HIS SUBURB COVERAGE OF THE
HIS SUBURB COVERAGE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S LETTER ON
ATTORNEY GENERAL'S LETTER ON SUNDAY NIGHT.
SUNDAY NIGHT. WE DISCUSSED IT HERE ON THIS
WE DISCUSSED IT HERE ON THIS PROGRAM FOR THE LAST TWO NIGHTS.
PROGRAM FOR THE LAST TWO NIGHTS. AND FINALLY TODAY WE ARE MOVING
AND FINALLY TODAY WE ARE MOVING CLOSER TO AN ANSWER BECAUSE THE
CLOSER TO AN ANSWER BECAUSE THE CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE JUDICIARY
CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE JERRY NADLER AGREES
COMMITTEE JERRY NADLER AGREES WITH ARI MELBER THAT IT IS AN
WITH ARI MELBER THAT IT IS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION.
IMPORTANT QUESTION. SO IMPORTANT THAT IT IS ONE OF
SO IMPORTANT THAT IT IS ONE OF THE THINGS HE DISCUSSED TODAY
THE THINGS HE DISCUSSED TODAY WITH ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM
WITH ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR IN WHAT CHAIRMAN NADLER
BARR IN WHAT CHAIRMAN NADLER SAID WAS A TEN-MINUTE PHONE
SAID WAS A TEN-MINUTE PHONE CALL.
CALL. THIS IS WHAT CHAIRMAN THATNADLER
THIS IS WHAT CHAIRMAN THATNADLER TOLD REPORTERS ABOUT THAT
TOLD REPORTERS ABOUT THAT CONVERSATION THIS AFTERNOON.
CONVERSATION THIS AFTERNOON. >> I HAD A PHONE CALL WITH THE
>> I HAD A PHONE CALL WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND I ASKED HIM
ATTORNEY GENERAL AND I ASKED HIM ABOUT THE LENGTH AND THE BREADTH
ABOUT THE LENGTH AND THE BREADTH OF THE MUELLER REPORT.
OF THE MUELLER REPORT. HE TOLD ME IT WAS A VERY
HE TOLD ME IT WAS A VERY SUBSTANTIAL REPORT.
SUBSTANTIAL REPORT. A VERY SUBSTANTIAL REPORT.
A VERY SUBSTANTIAL REPORT. ONE THAT IN MY JUDGEMENT A
ONE THAT IN MY JUDGEMENT A FOUR-PAGE SUMMARY CANNOT BEGIN
FOUR-PAGE SUMMARY CANNOT BEGIN TO DO JUSTICE TO.
TO DO JUSTICE TO. >> HOW LONG WAS THIS PHONE CALL?
>> HOW LONG WAS THIS PHONE CALL? >> WHEN YOU SAY VERY
>> WHEN YOU SAY VERY SUBSTANTIAL, DO YOU MEAN
SUBSTANTIAL, DO YOU MEAN HUNDREDS OF PAGES?
HUNDREDS OF PAGES? HOW MANY PAGES?
HOW MANY PAGES? >> I CAN'T SAY THAT, BUT IT'S
>> I CAN'T SAY THAT, BUT IT'S VERY SUBSTANTIAL.
VERY SUBSTANTIAL. >> AND YOU KNOW HOW MANY PAGES
>> AND YOU KNOW HOW MANY PAGES IT IS?
IT IS? >> YES.
>> YES. IT'S VERY SUBSTANTIAL.
IT'S VERY SUBSTANTIAL. >> FOX NEWS IS SAYING 700.
>> FOX NEWS IS SAYING 700. IS THAT ACCURATE?
IS THAT ACCURATE? >> MORE THAN THAT?
>> MORE THAN THAT? >> I CAN'T COMMENT.
>> I CAN'T COMMENT. >> VERY SUBSTANTIAL, LESS THAN
>> VERY SUBSTANTIAL, LESS THAN 1,000?
1,000? >> OH, I WOULD THINK SO.
>> OH, I WOULD THINK SO. >> FIRST THING HE SAID, VERY
>> FIRST THING HE SAID, VERY FIRST THING HE SAID, I ASKED HIM
FIRST THING HE SAID, I ASKED HIM ABOUT THE LENGTH.
ABOUT THE LENGTH. I ASKED HIM ABOUT THE LENGTH AND
I ASKED HIM ABOUT THE LENGTH AND BREADTH OF THE MUELLER REPORT
BREADTH OF THE MUELLER REPORT AND SO NOW WE KNOW.
AND SO NOW WE KNOW. IT'S LESS THAN 1,000 PAGES.
IT'S LESS THAN 1,000 PAGES. THAT MEANS IT COULD BE THE
THAT MEANS IT COULD BE THE LONGEST SPECIAL PROSECUTOR'S
LONGEST SPECIAL PROSECUTOR'S REPORT IN HISTORY.
REPORT IN HISTORY. IF FOX NEWS IS RIGHT AND IT'S
IF FOX NEWS IS RIGHT AND IT'S 700 PAGES, THAT WOULD MAKE IT
700 PAGES, THAT WOULD MAKE IT THE LONGEST SPECIAL PROSECUTOR'S
THE LONGEST SPECIAL PROSECUTOR'S REPORT IN HISTORY.
REPORT IN HISTORY. KENNETH STARR'S REPORT ON
KENNETH STARR'S REPORT ON PRESIDENT CLINTON THAT LED TO
PRESIDENT CLINTON THAT LED TO THE IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT
THE IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT CLINTON IN THE HOUSE OF
CLINTON IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES WAS 445 PAGES,
REPRESENTATIVES WAS 445 PAGES, ALL OF WHICH WAS RELEASED TO THE
ALL OF WHICH WAS RELEASED TO THE CONGRESS AND THE PUBLIC.
CONGRESS AND THE PUBLIC. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PAGES OF
WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PAGES OF THE MUELLER REPORT DESCRIBE AND
THE MUELLER REPORT DESCRIBE AND ANALYZE LESTER HOLT'S INTERVIEW
ANALYZE LESTER HOLT'S INTERVIEW WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP AFTER THE
WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP AFTER THE PRESIDENT FIRED FBI DIRECTOR
PRESIDENT FIRED FBI DIRECTOR JAMES COMEY, BUT IN AN EXCLUSIVE
JAMES COMEY, BUT IN AN EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH LESTER HOLT
INTERVIEW WITH LESTER HOLT TODAY, JAMES COMEY SAID HE IS
TODAY, JAMES COMEY SAID HE IS EAGER TO SEE THAT AND EVERYTHING
EAGER TO SEE THAT AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S IN THE FULL MUELLER
ELSE THAT'S IN THE FULL MUELLER REPORT.
REPORT. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SPECIAL
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL FOUND AND I'M PREPARED
COUNSEL FOUND AND I'M PREPARED -- I HOPE EVERYBODY IS -- TO
-- I HOPE EVERYBODY IS -- TO WAIT AND GET THE TRANSPARENCY
WAIT AND GET THE TRANSPARENCY THAT WE NEED.
THAT WE NEED. >> DO YOU ASK YOURSELF WHY
>> DO YOU ASK YOURSELF WHY MUELLER DID NOT SUBPOENA
MUELLER DID NOT SUBPOENA PRESIDENT TRUMP TO TRY TO GET
PRESIDENT TRUMP TO TRY TO GET THE -- TO GET TO THE HEART OF
THE -- TO GET TO THE HEART OF THIS INTENT QUESTION ON
THIS INTENT QUESTION ON OBSTRUCTION?
OBSTRUCTION? >> YES, I DO, AND I DON'T KNOW
>> YES, I DO, AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
THE ANSWER TO THAT. I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT
I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT HOW THE ATTORNEY GENERAL COULD
HOW THE ATTORNEY GENERAL COULD RESOLVE THE QUESTION, WHICH HE
RESOLVE THE QUESTION, WHICH HE SAYS IN HIS LETTER TURNS UPON
SAYS IN HIS LETTER TURNS UPON THE PRESIDENT'S INTENT, WITHOUT
THE PRESIDENT'S INTENT, WITHOUT THE PRESIDENT HAVING BEEN ASKED
THE PRESIDENT HAVING BEEN ASKED WHAT HIS INTENT IS.
WHAT HIS INTENT IS. >> THE CLEAREST PICTURE WE HAVE
>> THE CLEAREST PICTURE WE HAVE OF THE PRESIDENT'S INTENT
OF THE PRESIDENT'S INTENT ACTUALLY CAME IN LESTER HOLT'S
ACTUALLY CAME IN LESTER HOLT'S INTERVIEW IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE
INTERVIEW IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE PRESIDENT FIRED JAMES COMEY.
PRESIDENT FIRED JAMES COMEY. >> IN FACT, WHEN I DECIDED TO
>> IN FACT, WHEN I DECIDED TO JUST DO IT, I SAID TO MYSELF, I
JUST DO IT, I SAID TO MYSELF, I SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS RUSSIA
SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS RUSSIA THING WITH TRUMP AND RUSSIA IS A
THING WITH TRUMP AND RUSSIA IS A MADE UP STORY.
MADE UP STORY. >> WHAT DID YOU THINK WHEN YOU
>> WHAT DID YOU THINK WHEN YOU HEARD THAT?
HEARD THAT? >> I THOUGHT THAT'S POTENTIALLY
>> I THOUGHT THAT'S POTENTIALLY OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE AND I
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE AND I HOPE SOMEBODY IS GOING TO LOOK
HOPE SOMEBODY IS GOING TO LOOK AT THAT.
AT THAT. AGAIN, THE PRESIDENT APPEARS TO
AGAIN, THE PRESIDENT APPEARS TO BE SAYING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S
BE SAYING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN HIS HEAD, WHICH IS WHY I
IN HIS HEAD, WHICH IS WHY I CAN'T REACH THE CONCLUSION.
CAN'T REACH THE CONCLUSION. WHAT HE APPEARS TO BE SAYING IS
WHAT HE APPEARS TO BE SAYING IS I GOT RID OF THIS GUY TO SHUT
I GOT RID OF THIS GUY TO SHUT DOWN AN INVESTIGATION THAT
DOWN AN INVESTIGATION THAT THREATENED ME.
THREATENED ME. >> NOW, REMEMBER, JAMES COMEY IS
>> NOW, REMEMBER, JAMES COMEY IS A FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY IN THE
A FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK.
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. HE'S A FORMER DEPUTY ATTORNEY
HE'S A FORMER DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES WHO
GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES WHO IN EFFECT SERVED AS ACTING
IN EFFECT SERVED AS ACTING ATTORNEY GENERAL WHEN ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY GENERAL WHEN ATTORNEY GENERAL JOHN ASHCROFT WAS
GENERAL JOHN ASHCROFT WAS HOSPITALIZED.
HOSPITALIZED. JAMES COMEY WAS THE DIRECTOR OF
JAMES COMEY WAS THE DIRECTOR OF THE FBI, APPOINTED BY PRESIDENT
THE FBI, APPOINTED BY PRESIDENT OBAMA.
OBAMA. MOST OF HIS SERVICE HAS BEEN IN
MOST OF HIS SERVICE HAS BEEN IN A REPUBLICAN-RUN JUSTICE
A REPUBLICAN-RUN JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND EVEN JAMES COMEY
DEPARTMENT AND EVEN JAMES COMEY WITH ALL THAT EXPERIENCE IS
WITH ALL THAT EXPERIENCE IS MYSTIFIED AS TO -- AS THE REST
MYSTIFIED AS TO -- AS THE REST OF US ARE ABOUT WHY ROBERT
OF US ARE ABOUT WHY ROBERT MUELLER DID NOT REACH A
MUELLER DID NOT REACH A CONCLUSION ON THE OBSTRUCTION OF
CONCLUSION ON THE OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE INVESTIGATION OF THE
JUSTICE INVESTIGATION OF THE PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. >> THE PURPOSE OF THE SPECIAL
>> THE PURPOSE OF THE SPECIAL COUNSEL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
COUNSEL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE POLITICS, IN
POLITICS, IN POLITICALS, IN THIS CASE THE
POLITICALS, IN THIS CASE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, DOESN'T MAKE
ATTORNEY GENERAL, DOESN'T MAKE THE ULTIMATE CALL WHETHER THE
THE ULTIMATE CALL WHETHER THE SUBJECT OF THE INVESTIGATION, IN
SUBJECT OF THE INVESTIGATION, IN THIS CASE THE PRESIDENT OF THE
THIS CASE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, SHOULD BE HELD
UNITED STATES, SHOULD BE HELD CRIMINALLY
CRIMINALLY CRIMINALLY
CRIMINALLY CRIMINALLY LIABLE.
CRIMINALLY LIABLE. I'M NOT PREJUDGING IT, I'M JUST
I'M NOT PREJUDGING IT, I'M JUST SAYING IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE ON
SAYING IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE ON ITS FACE.
ITS FACE. I DON'T KNOW WHY HE DIDN'T HERE
I DON'T KNOW WHY HE DIDN'T HERE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT COMBINATION OF LAW AND FACT LED
COMBINATION OF LAW AND FACT LED HIM TO THAT, WHICH IS WHY I'M
HIM TO THAT, WHICH IS WHY I'M GOING TO WAIT AND HEAR THE
GOING TO WAIT AND HEAR THE EXPLANATION, WHICH I HOPE WILL
EXPLANATION, WHICH I HOPE WILL COME.
COME. >> TO PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS
>> TO PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS SUPPORTERS WHO CLAIM THERE NEVER
SUPPORTERS WHO CLAIM THERE NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN AN
SHOULD HAVE BEEN AN INVESTIGATION, JAMES COMEY SAID
INVESTIGATION, JAMES COMEY SAID THIS --
THIS -- >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT PEOPLE ARE
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT PEOPLE ARE THINKING SAYING WE SHOULDN'T
THINKING SAYING WE SHOULDN'T HAVE INVESTIGATED, RIGHT?
HAVE INVESTIGATED, RIGHT? REMEMBER WHERE THIS STARTED.
REMEMBER WHERE THIS STARTED. IN LATE JULY OF THE ELECTION
IN LATE JULY OF THE ELECTION YEAR, WE KNEW THE RUSSIANS WERE
YEAR, WE KNEW THE RUSSIANS WERE ENGAGED IN A MASSIVE EFFORT TO
ENGAGED IN A MASSIVE EFFORT TO HURT HILLARY CLINTON AND HELP
HURT HILLARY CLINTON AND HELP DONALD TRUMP, AND THEN WE
DONALD TRUMP, AND THEN WE LEARNED THAT A TRUMP CAMPAIGN
LEARNED THAT A TRUMP CAMPAIGN ADVISER HAD SPOKEN TO A RUSSIAN
ADVISER HAD SPOKEN TO A RUSSIAN OPERATIVE ABOUT THE DIRT THEY
OPERATIVE ABOUT THE DIRT THEY HAD ON HILLARY CLINTON BEFORE
HAD ON HILLARY CLINTON BEFORE ANY OF US KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT
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