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GETS UNDER WAY ON A WEDNESDAY NIGHT.
NIGHT. >>> WELL, GOOD EVENING ONCE
>>> WELL, GOOD EVENING ONCE AGAIN FROM OUR NBC NEWS
AGAIN FROM OUR NBC NEWS HEADQUARTERS HERE IN NEW YORK.
HEADQUARTERS HERE IN NEW YORK. DAY 797 OF THE TRUMP
DAY 797 OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.
ADMINISTRATION. AS THE POLITICAL WORLD CONTINUES
AS THE POLITICAL WORLD CONTINUES TO REACT ALONG WITH THE PUBLIC
TO REACT ALONG WITH THE PUBLIC TO A FOUR-PAGE SUMMARY LETTER BY
TO A FOUR-PAGE SUMMARY LETTER BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND AMID
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND AMID INCREASING PRESSURE TO RELEASE
INCREASING PRESSURE TO RELEASE THE ACTUAL MUELLER REPORT, THE
THE ACTUAL MUELLER REPORT, THE PRESIDENT IS BUILDING ON HIS
PRESIDENT IS BUILDING ON HIS THEME OF TOTAL EXONERATION WITH
THEME OF TOTAL EXONERATION WITH AN EYE TOWARD THE COMING BATTLES
AN EYE TOWARD THE COMING BATTLES PERHAPS WITH DEMOCRATS ON
PERHAPS WITH DEMOCRATS ON CAPITOL HILL.
CAPITOL HILL. TONIGHT DONALD TRUMP TALKED WITH
TONIGHT DONALD TRUMP TALKED WITH FOX NEWS HOST SEAN HANNITY ABOUT
FOX NEWS HOST SEAN HANNITY ABOUT MUELLER'S INVESTIGATION.
MUELLER'S INVESTIGATION. HE CALLED IT A SCAM, SAID IT WAS
HE CALLED IT A SCAM, SAID IT WAS LED BY TREASONOUS PEOPLE.
LED BY TREASONOUS PEOPLE. >> THIS WAS AN ATTEMPTED
>> THIS WAS AN ATTEMPTED TAKEOVER OF OUR GOVERNMENT, OF
TAKEOVER OF OUR GOVERNMENT, OF OUR COUNTRY, AN ILLEGAL
OUR COUNTRY, AN ILLEGAL TAKEOVER.
TAKEOVER. AND IF IT WERE THE OTHER WAY
AND IF IT WERE THE OTHER WAY AROUND WHERE I WAS DOING IT TO
AROUND WHERE I WAS DOING IT TO PRESIDENT OBAMA OR A DEMOCRAT IT
PRESIDENT OBAMA OR A DEMOCRAT IT WOULD BE VIRTUALLY THE MAXIMUM
WOULD BE VIRTUALLY THE MAXIMUM SENTENCE THAT YOU CAN FIND NO
SENTENCE THAT YOU CAN FIND NO MATTER WHERE YOU LOOK IN
MATTER WHERE YOU LOOK IN WHATEVER LEGAL BOOK.
WHATEVER LEGAL BOOK. >> HOUSE DEMOCRATS IN THE
>> HOUSE DEMOCRATS IN THE MEANTIME ARE STAKING OUT THEIR
MEANTIME ARE STAKING OUT THEIR POSITIONS.
POSITIONS. THREE LAWMAKERS ARE TELLING NBC
THREE LAWMAKERS ARE TELLING NBC NEWS THAT KEY OVERSIGHT
NEWS THAT KEY OVERSIGHT COMMITTEES ARE EXPLORING LEGAL
COMMITTEES ARE EXPLORING LEGAL OPTIONS INCLUDING BUT NOT
OPTIONS INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE POSSIBILITY OF
LIMITED TO THE POSSIBILITY OF ISSUING SUBPOENA TO SPECIAL
ISSUING SUBPOENA TO SPECIAL COUNSEL ROBERT MUELLER.
COUNSEL ROBERT MUELLER. THAT WOULD MEAN BYPASSING THE
THAT WOULD MEAN BYPASSING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR.
ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR. EARLIER TODAY HOUSE JUDICIARY
EARLIER TODAY HOUSE JUDICIARY CHAIRMAN JERRY NADLER OF NEW
CHAIRMAN JERRY NADLER OF NEW YORK SAID HE SPOKE ON THE PHONE
YORK SAID HE SPOKE ON THE PHONE WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ABOUT
WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ABOUT THE APRIL 2nd DEADLINE THAT
THE APRIL 2nd DEADLINE THAT DEMOCRATS HAVE SET FOR THE
DEMOCRATS HAVE SET FOR THE RELEASE OF THE MUELLER REPORT.
RELEASE OF THE MUELLER REPORT. >> I ASKED HIM ABOUT THE LENGTH
>> I ASKED HIM ABOUT THE LENGTH AND BREADTH OF THE MUELLER
AND BREADTH OF THE MUELLER REPORT.
REPORT. HE TOLD ME IT WAS A VERY
HE TOLD ME IT WAS A VERY SUBSTANTIAL REPORT, A VERY
SUBSTANTIAL REPORT, A VERY SUBSTANTIAL REPORT.
SUBSTANTIAL REPORT. I ASKED HIM WHEN WE WOULD SEE
I ASKED HIM WHEN WE WOULD SEE IT.
IT. AND HE COULDN'T GET SPECIFIC.
AND HE COULDN'T GET SPECIFIC. HE SAID WEEKS, NOT MONTHS.
HE SAID WEEKS, NOT MONTHS. IT IS APPARENT THAT THE
IT IS APPARENT THAT THE DEPARTMENT WILL NOT MEET THE
DEPARTMENT WILL NOT MEET THE APRIL 2nd DEADLINE THAT WE SET
APRIL 2nd DEADLINE THAT WE SET AND I AM VERY DISTURBED BY THAT.
AND I AM VERY DISTURBED BY THAT. I ASKED WHETHER THE -- WHETHER
I ASKED WHETHER THE -- WHETHER HE COULD COMMIT THAT THE FULL
HE COULD COMMIT THAT THE FULL REPORT, AND THE UNREDACTED FULL
REPORT, AND THE UNREDACTED FULL REPORT WITH THE UNDERLYING
REPORT WITH THE UNDERLYING DOCUMENTS, EVIDENCE WOULD BE
DOCUMENTS, EVIDENCE WOULD BE PROVIDED TO CONGRESS AND TO THE
PROVIDED TO CONGRESS AND TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
AMERICAN PEOPLE. AND HE SAID -- HE WOULDN'T
AND HE SAID -- HE WOULDN'T COMMIT TO THAT.
COMMIT TO THAT. >> NEW POLLING FROM CNN MEANTIME
>> NEW POLLING FROM CNN MEANTIME SHOWS 57% OF AMERICANS WANT
SHOWS 57% OF AMERICANS WANT CONGRESS TO PURSUE HEARINGS INTO
CONGRESS TO PURSUE HEARINGS INTO THE FINDINGS OF THE MUELLER
THE FINDINGS OF THE MUELLER REPORT.
REPORT. 43% WANT CONGRESS TO TAKE NO
43% WANT CONGRESS TO TAKE NO ACTION AND END THE INVESTIGATION
ACTION AND END THE INVESTIGATION COMPLETELY.
COMPLETELY. SAME POLLING SHOWING 56% SAYING
SAME POLLING SHOWING 56% SAYING THE PRESIDENT HAS NOT BEEN
THE PRESIDENT HAS NOT BEEN EXONERATED OF COLLUSION WHILE
EXONERATED OF COLLUSION WHILE 43% SAY HE HAS.
43% SAY HE HAS. AMID THESE DEVELOPMENTS WE ARE
AMID THESE DEVELOPMENTS WE ARE ALSO HEARING SOMEFROM SOME BIG
ALSO HEARING SOMEFROM SOME BIG FIGURES IN THE RUSSIA INQUIRY.
FIGURES IN THE RUSSIA INQUIRY. TODAY LESTER HOLT SAT DOWN FOR
TODAY LESTER HOLT SAT DOWN FOR AN EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH
AN EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH FORMER FBI DIRECTOR JAMES COMEY
FORMER FBI DIRECTOR JAMES COMEY WHOSE FIRING, OF COURSE,
WHOSE FIRING, OF COURSE, LAUNCHED THE MUELLER
LAUNCHED THE MUELLER APPOINTMENT.
APPOINTMENT. HERE'S WHAT TRUMP SAID ABOUT
HERE'S WHAT TRUMP SAID ABOUT THAT FIRING, YOU'LL RECALL, BACK
THAT FIRING, YOU'LL RECALL, BACK THEN.
THEN. >> WHEN I DECIDED TO JUST DO IT
>> WHEN I DECIDED TO JUST DO IT I SAID TO MYSELF, I SAID YOU
I SAID TO MYSELF, I SAID YOU KNOW, THIS RUSSIA THING WITH
KNOW, THIS RUSSIA THING WITH TRUMP AND RUSSIA IS A MADE-UP
TRUMP AND RUSSIA IS A MADE-UP STORY.
STORY. >> AND NOW BACK TO COMEY.
>> AND NOW BACK TO COMEY. HERE'S WHAT HE SAID TODAY ABOUT
HERE'S WHAT HE SAID TODAY ABOUT THAT VERY ADMISSION FROM THE
THAT VERY ADMISSION FROM THE PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. >> I THOUGHT THAT'S POTENTIALLY
>> I THOUGHT THAT'S POTENTIALLY OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. AND I HOPE SOMEBODY IS GOING TO
AND I HOPE SOMEBODY IS GOING TO LOOK AT THAT.
LOOK AT THAT. AGAIN, THE PRESIDENT APPEARS TO
AGAIN, THE PRESIDENT APPEARS TO BE SAYING -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S
BE SAYING -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN HIS HEAD, WHICH IS WHY I
IN HIS HEAD, WHICH IS WHY I CAN'T REACH THE CONCLUSION.
CAN'T REACH THE CONCLUSION. WHAT HE APPEARS TO BE SAYING IS
WHAT HE APPEARS TO BE SAYING IS I GOT RID OF THIS GUY TO SHUT
I GOT RID OF THIS GUY TO SHUT DOWN AN INVESTIGATION THAT
DOWN AN INVESTIGATION THAT THREATENED ME.
THREATENED ME. >> NEXT COMEY WAS ASKED ABOUT
>> NEXT COMEY WAS ASKED ABOUT MUELLER CHOOSING NOT TO MAKE A
MUELLER CHOOSING NOT TO MAKE A CALL APPARENTLY ON WHETHER TRUMP
CALL APPARENTLY ON WHETHER TRUMP OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE.
OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE. >> MR. MUELLER DECIDES NOT TO
>> MR. MUELLER DECIDES NOT TO MAKE A JUDGMENT ON THAT
MAKE A JUDGMENT ON THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE.
PARTICULAR ISSUE. DOES THAT ALONE SURPRISE YOU?
DOES THAT ALONE SURPRISE YOU? >> IT DOES.
>> IT DOES. THE PURPOSE OF THE SPECIAL
THE PURPOSE OF THE SPECIAL COUNSEL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
COUNSEL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE POLITICALS, IN THIS CASE THE
POLITICALS, IN THIS CASE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, DOESN'T MAKE
ATTORNEY GENERAL, DOESN'T MAKE THE ULTIMATE CALL ON WHETHER THE
THE ULTIMATE CALL ON WHETHER THE SUBJECT OF THE INVESTIGATION,
SUBJECT OF THE INVESTIGATION, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, SHOULD BE HELD
STATES, SHOULD BE HELD CRIMINALLY LIABLE FOR ACTIVITIES
CRIMINALLY LIABLE FOR ACTIVITIES THAT WERE UNDER INVESTIGATION.
THAT WERE UNDER INVESTIGATION. SOUGHT IDEA THAT A SPECIAL
SOUGHT IDEA THAT A SPECIAL COUNSEL WOULDN'T REACH THE
COUNSEL WOULDN'T REACH THE QUESTION AND HAND IT TO THE
QUESTION AND HAND IT TO THE POLITICAL LEADERSHIP DOESN'T
POLITICAL LEADERSHIP DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
MAKE SENSE. I'M NOT PREJUDGING IT.
I'M NOT PREJUDGING IT. I'M SAYING IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE
I'M SAYING IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE ON ITS FACE.
ON ITS FACE. >> MEANWHILE, THERE'S BEEN A
>> MEANWHILE, THERE'S BEEN A RATHER SURPRISING ASSESSMENT OF
RATHER SURPRISING ASSESSMENT OF WHAT EVIDENCE MIGHT BE CONTAINED
WHAT EVIDENCE MIGHT BE CONTAINED IN THE MUELLER REPORT.
IN THE MUELLER REPORT. AND IT CAME FROM FOX NEWS LEGAL
AND IT CAME FROM FOX NEWS LEGAL ANALYST ANDREW NAPOLITANO.
ANALYST ANDREW NAPOLITANO. >> IF THERE WERE NO EVIDENCE OF
>> IF THERE WERE NO EVIDENCE OF CONSPIRACY AND NO EVIDENCE OF
CONSPIRACY AND NO EVIDENCE OF OBSTRUCTION, THE ATTORNEY
OBSTRUCTION, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WOULD HAVE TOLD US SO.
GENERAL WOULD HAVE TOLD US SO. HE DIDN'T.
HE DIDN'T. SO THERE IS SOMETHING IN THERE
SO THERE IS SOMETHING IN THERE THAT THE DEMOCRATS AND OPPONENTS
THAT THE DEMOCRATS AND OPPONENTS OF THE PRESIDENT WANT TO SEE.
OF THE PRESIDENT WANT TO SEE. THEY WILL SEE IT.
THEY WILL SEE IT. AND THEY'LL MAKE HAY OUT OF IT.
AND THEY'LL MAKE HAY OUT OF IT. AND THEN THEY'LL SECOND-GUESS
AND THEN THEY'LL SECOND-GUESS BOB MUELLER AS TO WHETHER OR NOT
BOB MUELLER AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT IS ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO MEET
IT IS ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO MEET THE LEGAL STANDARD OF PROOF OF
THE LEGAL STANDARD OF PROOF OF GUILT BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.
GUILT BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. >> ON THAT POINT LET'S BRING IN
>> ON THAT POINT LET'S BRING IN OUR LEAD-OFF PANEL ON A
OUR LEAD-OFF PANEL ON A WEDNESDAY NIGHT.
WEDNESDAY NIGHT. MIMI ROCAH, FORMER ASSISTANT
MIMI ROCAH, FORMER ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY FOR THE SOUTHERN
U.S. ATTORNEY FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, NOW A
DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, NOW A DISTINGUISHED FELLOW IN CRIMINAL
DISTINGUISHED FELLOW IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE AT THE PACE UNIVERSITY
JUSTICE AT THE PACE UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW.
SCHOOL OF LAW. MICHAEL SCHMIDT, PULITZER
MICHAEL SCHMIDT, PULITZER PRIZE-WINNING WASHINGTON
PRIZE-WINNING WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT FOR THE "NEW YORK
CORRESPONDENT FOR THE "NEW YORK TIMES."
TIMES." AND SAM STEINBACH WITH US,
AND SAM STEINBACH WITH US, POLITICAL EDITOR FOR THE DAILY
POLITICAL EDITOR FOR THE DAILY BEAST.
BEAST. GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO YOU
GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO YOU ALL.
ALL. MIMI, I'D LIKE TO BEGIN WITH YOU
MIMI, I'D LIKE TO BEGIN WITH YOU AND WITH THIS QUESTION.
AND WITH THIS QUESTION. WE'VE HAD A STRING OF GUESTS
WE'VE HAD A STRING OF GUESTS COME IN HERE AND DESCRIBE BOB
COME IN HERE AND DESCRIBE BOB MUELLER AS ALMOST AN EGOLESS
MUELLER AS ALMOST AN EGOLESS FIGURE, THOUGH HE IS CLEARLY NOT
FIGURE, THOUGH HE IS CLEARLY NOT WITHOUT PRIDE.
WITHOUT PRIDE. WHAT IS THE CHANCE THAT MUELLER
WHAT IS THE CHANCE THAT MUELLER IS WATCHING SOME OF THIS,
IS WATCHING SOME OF THIS, FEELING THAT HIS WORK HAS BEEN
FEELING THAT HIS WORK HAS BEEN MISPORTRAYED AND HIS DECISIONS
MISPORTRAYED AND HIS DECISIONS HAVE PERHAPS BEEN MISREPORTED?
HAVE PERHAPS BEEN MISREPORTED? >> SO LOOK, I WOULD NEVER
>> SO LOOK, I WOULD NEVER PRESUME TO SPEAK FOR BOB
PRESUME TO SPEAK FOR BOB MUELLER.
MUELLER. I WILL SAY LIKE EVERYBODY WE'VE
I WILL SAY LIKE EVERYBODY WE'VE ALL WATCHED HIM CLOSELY OVER THE
ALL WATCHED HIM CLOSELY OVER THE PAST 18 MONTHS.
PAST 18 MONTHS. AND HE'S OBVIOUSLY A PATIENT
AND HE'S OBVIOUSLY A PATIENT MAN.
MAN. HE DIDN'T REACT EVERY TIME
HE DIDN'T REACT EVERY TIME DONALD TRUMP, YOU KNOW, CALLED
DONALD TRUMP, YOU KNOW, CALLED HIM CONFLICTED AND CALLED IT A
HIM CONFLICTED AND CALLED IT A WITCH HUNT, ET CETERA.
WITCH HUNT, ET CETERA. AND I REALLY HAVE TO BELIEVE
AND I REALLY HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT WHILE THERE IS A LOT OF
THAT WHILE THERE IS A LOT OF MISINTERPRETATION AT THIS POINT
MISINTERPRETATION AT THIS POINT GOING ON ABOUT WHAT MUELLER HAS
GOING ON ABOUT WHAT MUELLER HAS OR HASN'T SAID, RIGHT?
OR HASN'T SAID, RIGHT? HE HAS NOT SAID NO COLLUSION.
HE HAS NOT SAID NO COLLUSION. AT LEAST AS FAR AS WE KNOW
AT LEAST AS FAR AS WE KNOW THROUGH BARR'S OWN WORDS.
THROUGH BARR'S OWN WORDS. THAT IS NOT WHAT MUELLER SAID.
THAT IS NOT WHAT MUELLER SAID. AND SO TO THE EXTENT THAT IS
AND SO TO THE EXTENT THAT IS BEING REPEATED, THAT MUST BE
BEING REPEATED, THAT MUST BE FRUSTRATING TO HIM.
FRUSTRATING TO HIM. BUT HE HAS A REPORT, AND WE NOW
BUT HE HAS A REPORT, AND WE NOW AT LEAST HAVE A CLUE THAT IT'S A
AT LEAST HAVE A CLUE THAT IT'S A VERY SUBSTANTIAL REPORT, WHICH
VERY SUBSTANTIAL REPORT, WHICH COULD MEAN APPARENTLY LESS THAN
COULD MEAN APPARENTLY LESS THAN 1,000 BUT CLEARLY MORE THAN
1,000 BUT CLEARLY MORE THAN SEVERAL HUNDRED PAGES IF IT'S
SEVERAL HUNDRED PAGES IF IT'S SUBSTANTIAL.
SUBSTANTIAL. AND I THINK THAT HE UNDERSTANDS
AND I THINK THAT HE UNDERSTANDS THAT THAT REPORT WILL COME OUT
THAT THAT REPORT WILL COME OUT BECAUSE IT HAS TO, BECAUSE THAT
BECAUSE IT HAS TO, BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THAT WE ARE
IS THE ONLY WAY THAT WE ARE GOING O'FULLY UNDERSTAND HERE
GOING O'FULLY UNDERSTAND HERE WHAT HAPPENED.
WHAT HAPPENED. AS FAR AS WE KNOW, BOB MUELLER
AS FAR AS WE KNOW, BOB MUELLER TOOK ONE THING OFF THE TABLE SO
TOOK ONE THING OFF THE TABLE SO FAR.
FAR. AND THAT IS THE CHARGE OF A
AND THAT IS THE CHARGE OF A CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY OF TRUMP AND
CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY OF TRUMP AND OTHER PEOPLE AROUND HIS CAMPAIGN
OTHER PEOPLE AROUND HIS CAMPAIGN WITH THE RUSSIANS TO INTERFERE
WITH THE RUSSIANS TO INTERFERE IN OUR ELECTION.
IN OUR ELECTION. THAT IS WHAT WE KNOW AT THIS
THAT IS WHAT WE KNOW AT THIS POINT.
POINT. THAT LEAVES A LOT ON THE TABLE.
THAT LEAVES A LOT ON THE TABLE. AND EVERY AMERICAN ON BOTH
AND EVERY AMERICAN ON BOTH SIDES, REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS,
SIDES, REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS, INDEPENDENTS, SHOULD WANT TO
INDEPENDENTS, SHOULD WANT TO KNOW THE DEGREE OF WHAT ELSE IS
KNOW THE DEGREE OF WHAT ELSE IS ON THE TABLE.
ON THE TABLE. IS IT NOTHING?
IS IT NOTHING? IS IT SOMETHING?
IS IT SOMETHING? IS IT A LOT?
IS IT A LOT? BECAUSE THE ONLY STANDARD WE
BECAUSE THE ONLY STANDARD WE KNOW RIGHT NOW THAT BOB MUELLER
KNOW RIGHT NOW THAT BOB MUELLER APPARENTLY SAID WASN'T MET WAS
APPARENTLY SAID WASN'T MET WAS PROOF BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT
PROOF BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT AS TO COLLUSION -- AS TO
AS TO COLLUSION -- AS TO CONSPIRACY AND OBSTRUCTION,
CONSPIRACY AND OBSTRUCTION, THERE'S SOMETHING SUBSTANTIAL
THERE'S SOMETHING SUBSTANTIAL THERE.
THERE. WE KNOW THAT.
WE KNOW THAT. WE KNOW THAT FROM BOB MUELLER.
WE KNOW THAT FROM BOB MUELLER. >> MIKE SCHMIDT, ON THE QUESTION
>> MIKE SCHMIDT, ON THE QUESTION OF THE RUSSIANS I WANT TO PLAY
OF THE RUSSIANS I WANT TO PLAY FOR YOU SOME OF COMEY WANTING US
FOR YOU SOME OF COMEY WANTING US TO THINK ABOUT THE RUSSIANS A
TO THINK ABOUT THE RUSSIANS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY AND INSERT A
LITTLE DIFFERENTLY AND INSERT A DIFFERENT COUNTRY.
DIFFERENT COUNTRY. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS ON THE
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS ON THE OTHER SIDE.
OTHER SIDE. >> CLOSE YOUR EYES.
>> CLOSE YOUR EYES. AGAIN, CHANGE THE NAMES.
AGAIN, CHANGE THE NAMES. LET ME MAKE ONE UP FOR YOU.
LET ME MAKE ONE UP FOR YOU. THE IRANIANS.
THE IRANIANS. THIS IS TOTALLY MADE UP.
THIS IS TOTALLY MADE UP. THE IRANIANS INTERFERE IN THE
THE IRANIANS INTERFERE IN THE ELECTION TO HELP ELECT BARACK
ELECTION TO HELP ELECT BARACK OBAMA BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY'LL
OBAMA BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY'LL GET A BETTER NUCLEAR DEAL FROM
GET A BETTER NUCLEAR DEAL FROM HIM.
HIM. AND DURING THAT ELECTION AN
AND DURING THAT ELECTION AN OBAMA AIDE MEETS WITH THE
OBAMA AIDE MEETS WITH THE IRANIANS AND TALKS ABOUT THE
IRANIANS AND TALKS ABOUT THE DIRT THEY HAVE THAT WILL HELP
DIRT THEY HAVE THAT WILL HELP OBAMA GET ELECTED AND THE FBI
OBAMA GET ELECTED AND THE FBI FINDS OUT ABOUT THAT.
FINDS OUT ABOUT THAT. WE SHOULD NOT INVESTIGATE THAT?
WE SHOULD NOT INVESTIGATE THAT? SO THE HYPOCRISY IS REVEALED
SO THE HYPOCRISY IS REVEALED JUST BY CHANGING THE NAMES.
JUST BY CHANGING THE NAMES. THE FBI DID WHAT IT ABSOLUTELY
THE FBI DID WHAT IT ABSOLUTELY HAD TO DO.
HAD TO DO. >> SO MICHAEL, WE HAVE THAT
>> SO MICHAEL, WE HAVE THAT THERE.
THERE. WHAT'S ON YOUR LIST OF THE
WHAT'S ON YOUR LIST OF THE GREATEST UNKNOWNS ABOUT THIS
GREATEST UNKNOWNS ABOUT THIS REPORT NONE OF US HAVE YET TO
REPORT NONE OF US HAVE YET TO SEE?
SEE? >> FOR ME THE GREATEST UNKNOWN
>> FOR ME THE GREATEST UNKNOWN IS ON THE QUESTION OF
IS ON THE QUESTION OF OBSTRUCTION.
OBSTRUCTION. BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE
BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE PRESIDENT HAS THE MOST EXPOSURE.
PRESIDENT HAS THE MOST EXPOSURE. AND WHERE THERE IS JUST
AND WHERE THERE IS JUST DOCUMENTED A LOT OF THINGS.
DOCUMENTED A LOT OF THINGS. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HE DID
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HE DID IN PUBLIC HIMSELF.
IN PUBLIC HIMSELF. I THINK THE ISSUE HERE IS THAT
I THINK THE ISSUE HERE IS THAT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAS A
THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAS A PERCEPTION PROBLEM.
PERCEPTION PROBLEM. THEY HAD A SPECIAL COUNSEL TO
THEY HAD A SPECIAL COUNSEL TO INSULATE THE INVESTIGATION FROM
INSULATE THE INVESTIGATION FROM POLITICS, AND TO INSULATE THE
POLITICS, AND TO INSULATE THE RESULT AND GIVE THE PUBLIC THE
RESULT AND GIVE THE PUBLIC THE CONFIDENCE THAT THE RESULT WAS
CONFIDENCE THAT THE RESULT WAS DONE BY FOLLOWING THE FACTS.
DONE BY FOLLOWING THE FACTS. IN THIS INSTANCE THE PERSON THAT
IN THIS INSTANCE THE PERSON THAT WAS THERE TO DO THAT DIDN'T DO
WAS THERE TO DO THAT DIDN'T DO THAT.
THAT. AND HE LEFT THE DECISION TO BE
AND HE LEFT THE DECISION TO BE EXPOSED TO THE POLITICS, TO THE
EXPOSED TO THE POLITICS, TO THE APPOINTED POLITICIANS OR IN THIS
APPOINTED POLITICIANS OR IN THIS CASE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND
CASE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THE DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL TO
THE DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL TO MAKE THE DECISION.
MAKE THE DECISION. AND BILL BARR MAY HAVE MADE THE
AND BILL BARR MAY HAVE MADE THE RIGHT CALL.
RIGHT CALL. YOU KNOW, WHEN FOLKS GO BACK AND
YOU KNOW, WHEN FOLKS GO BACK AND LOOK AT THIS AND SUCH.
LOOK AT THIS AND SUCH. BUT THE PERCEPTION OF IT IS A
BUT THE PERCEPTION OF IT IS A DIFFICULT ONE BECAUSE IT LOOKS
DIFFICULT ONE BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THE GUY WHO WAS THERE TO
LIKE THE GUY WHO WAS THERE TO FOLLOW THE FACTS DIDN'T MAKE THE
FOLLOW THE FACTS DIDN'T MAKE THE CALL.
CALL. >> AND MICHAEL, LET ME ADD TO
>> AND MICHAEL, LET ME ADD TO THAT BILL BARR HAPPENS TO HAVE
THAT BILL BARR HAPPENS TO HAVE PREOPINED ON THIS SUBJECT.
PREOPINED ON THIS SUBJECT. GRANTED, HE HAPPENS TO HAVE BEEN
GRANTED, HE HAPPENS TO HAVE BEEN APPOINTED BY DONALD TRUMP SINCE
APPOINTED BY DONALD TRUMP SINCE THIS STARTED, GRANTED.
THIS STARTED, GRANTED. BUT ROBERT MUELLER, ALWAYS THE
BUT ROBERT MUELLER, ALWAYS THE MARINE CAPTAIN, ALWAYS ALL ABOUT
MARINE CAPTAIN, ALWAYS ALL ABOUT CHAIN OF COMMAND, WAS IN FACT
CHAIN OF COMMAND, WAS IN FACT FOLLOWING HIS CHAIN OF COMMAND.
FOLLOWING HIS CHAIN OF COMMAND. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. AND WHAT THIS DID IS IT GAVE THE
AND WHAT THIS DID IS IT GAVE THE DEMOCRATS AN OPENING.
DEMOCRATS AN OPENING. IF MUELLER HAD SAID -- LOOK,
IF MUELLER HAD SAID -- LOOK, MUELLER SAYS THERE'S NOT ENOUGH
MUELLER SAYS THERE'S NOT ENOUGH THERE FOR OBSTRUCTION AND BARR
THERE FOR OBSTRUCTION AND BARR AGREED WITH HIM.
AGREED WITH HIM. THEN THE ARGUMENT WOULD BE OVER.
THEN THE ARGUMENT WOULD BE OVER. THERE WOULD BE NO WIND IN THEIR
THERE WOULD BE NO WIND IN THEIR SAILS.
SAILS. BUT NOW THEY HAVE THIS ODD THING
BUT NOW THEY HAVE THIS ODD THING WHERE MUELLER SAYS NOTHING, BARR
WHERE MUELLER SAYS NOTHING, BARR THREE MONTHS, A FEW MONTHS IN AS
THREE MONTHS, A FEW MONTHS IN AS TRUMP'S ATTORNEY GENERAL, MAKES
TRUMP'S ATTORNEY GENERAL, MAKES THE CALL.
THE CALL. AND NOW JERRY NADLER SAYS I NEED
AND NOW JERRY NADLER SAYS I NEED TO SEE ALL THE HOMEWORK.
TO SEE ALL THE HOMEWORK. I NEED TO SEE EVERYTHING.
I NEED TO SEE EVERYTHING. WE HAVE TO HAVE HEARINGS ON THIS
WE HAVE TO HAVE HEARINGS ON THIS TO ASSESS IT.
TO ASSESS IT. BECAUSE IT HAS A POLITICAL
BECAUSE IT HAS A POLITICAL TINGE.
TINGE. >> ALL RIGHT, SAM STEIN.
>> ALL RIGHT, SAM STEIN. HOW DO THE DEMOCRATS HANDLE THIS
HOW DO THE DEMOCRATS HANDLE THIS AND HOW GOOD A LOOK WILL IT BE
AND HOW GOOD A LOOK WILL IT BE IF THEY SKIP A STEP AND SUBPOENA
IF THEY SKIP A STEP AND SUBPOENA ROBERT MUELLER DIRECTLY?
ROBERT MUELLER DIRECTLY? >> WELL, FROM MY CONVERSATIONS
>> WELL, FROM MY CONVERSATIONS WITH DEMOCRATS THERE IS SORT OF
WITH DEMOCRATS THERE IS SORT OF A WEIRD INTERNAL DIVIDE IN THE
A WEIRD INTERNAL DIVIDE IN THE CAUCUS RIGHT NOW.
CAUCUS RIGHT NOW. NO ONE WANTS TO TARNISH ROBERT
NO ONE WANTS TO TARNISH ROBERT MUELLER.
MUELLER. THEY THINK IT IN FACT WOULD BE
THEY THINK IT IN FACT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE AFTER HAVING SPENT
IMPOSSIBLE AFTER HAVING SPENT MONTHS BUILDING HIM UP.
MONTHS BUILDING HIM UP. THE QUESTION REALLY IS OVER
THE QUESTION REALLY IS OVER WHETHER THEY JUST MOVE ON FROM
WHETHER THEY JUST MOVE ON FROM WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE, WHETHER TO
WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE, WHETHER TO FOCUS ON DIFFERENT ISSUES AND
FOCUS ON DIFFERENT ISSUES AND LEAVE THE RUSSIA MATTER BEHIND.
LEAVE THE RUSSIA MATTER BEHIND. AND THEN OF COURSE THERE'S A
AND THEN OF COURSE THERE'S A PART OF IT THAT SIMPLY WON'T
PART OF IT THAT SIMPLY WON'T ALLOW THAT, EITHER BECAUSE
ALLOW THAT, EITHER BECAUSE THEY'RE EMOTIONALLY TIED TO IT
THEY'RE EMOTIONALLY TIED TO IT OR BECAUSE THEY STRATEGICALLY
OR BECAUSE THEY STRATEGICALLY THINK IT'S UNWISE TO DO SO.
THINK IT'S UNWISE TO DO SO. SO WHAT WE CAN EXPECT IS THAT
SO WHAT WE CAN EXPECT IS THAT THE COMMITTEES, WHETHER IT'S
THE COMMITTEES, WHETHER IT'S JUDICIARY OR OVERSIGHT, IS GOING
JUDICIARY OR OVERSIGHT, IS GOING TO BE CALLING UP BOB -- SORRY,
TO BE CALLING UP BOB -- SORRY, BILL BARR FIRST.
BILL BARR FIRST. IN PART BECAUSE EES HE IS THE
IN PART BECAUSE EES HE IS THE ONE WHO MADE THE DECISION AND
ONE WHO MADE THE DECISION AND WROTE THE MEMO AND THEY WANT TO
WROTE THE MEMO AND THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN GET
MAKE SURE THEY CAN GET INFORMATION OUT OF HIM BEFORE
INFORMATION OUT OF HIM BEFORE THEY BRING BACK MUELLER WHO
THEY BRING BACK MUELLER WHO POTENTIALLY COULD CONTRADICT
POTENTIALLY COULD CONTRADICT WHAT BARR HAS TO SAY.
WHAT BARR HAS TO SAY. KEEP IN MIND ALL THIS IS
KEEP IN MIND ALL THIS IS HAPPENING IN THIS INTENSE
HAPPENING IN THIS INTENSE VACUUM.
VACUUM. WE'RE OPERATING OFF A FOUR-PAGE
WE'RE OPERATING OFF A FOUR-PAGE MEMO.
MEMO. LITTLE IS KNOWN ON THE HILL.
LITTLE IS KNOWN ON THE HILL. THERE'S A RUSH TO TRY TO FIND
THERE'S A RUSH TO TRY TO FIND OUT INFORMATION BUT THE
OUT INFORMATION BUT THE INFORMATION OBVIOUSLY IS NOT
INFORMATION OBVIOUSLY IS NOT BEING PROVIDED.
BEING PROVIDED. SO DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING THEIR
SO DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING THEIR BEST TO HOLD BACK AND WAIT AND
BEST TO HOLD BACK AND WAIT AND SEE IF THEY CAN GET THEIR HANDS
SEE IF THEY CAN GET THEIR HANDS ON THE REPORT BEFORE ANY OF THIS

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