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AS OF TONIGHT IS THE FIRST TO MEET THIS MORAL RESPONSIBILITY.
MEET THIS MORAL RESPONSIBILITY. BUT FIRST, NOW THAT THE MUELLER
BUT FIRST, NOW THAT THE MUELLER REPORT HAS BEEN DELIVERED TO
REPORT HAS BEEN DELIVERED TO ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR,
ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR, WE ARE GETTING OUR FIRST LEAKS
WE ARE GETTING OUR FIRST LEAKS FROM THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT
FROM THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT ABOUT THE MUELLER REPORT.
ABOUT THE MUELLER REPORT. WHAT A COINCIDENCE.
WHAT A COINCIDENCE. EVERY DAY THE MUELLER
EVERY DAY THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION WAS OPERATIVE
INVESTIGATION WAS OPERATIVE THERE WAS NOT A SINGLE LEAK FROM
THERE WAS NOT A SINGLE LEAK FROM THE MUELLER TEAM OR ANYONE IN
THE MUELLER TEAM OR ANYONE IN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT ABOUT THE
THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT ABOUT THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION.
MUELLER INVESTIGATION. NOT ONE LEAK.
NOT ONE LEAK. BUT NOW THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT
BUT NOW THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAS DECIDED IT IS TIME TO LEAK.
HAS DECIDED IT IS TIME TO LEAK. AND ITS FIRST LEAK SEEMS TO BE A
AND ITS FIRST LEAK SEEMS TO BE A VERY DEFENSIVE LEAK.
VERY DEFENSIVE LEAK. DEFENSIVE OF ATTORNEY GENERAL
DEFENSIVE OF ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR.
WILLIAM BARR. IT TOOK TWO DAYS FOR THE NEWS
IT TOOK TWO DAYS FOR THE NEWS MEDIA TO REALIZE THAT A POINT
MEDIA TO REALIZE THAT A POINT THAT WAS FIRST RAISED BY ARI
THAT WAS FIRST RAISED BY ARI MELBER ON THIS NETWORK WHEN THE
MELBER ON THIS NETWORK WHEN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S LETTER BECAME
ATTORNEY GENERAL'S LETTER BECAME PUBLIC SUNDAY NIGHT IS A VERY
PUBLIC SUNDAY NIGHT IS A VERY IMPORTANT POINT.
IMPORTANT POINT. A SMALL AND SIMPLE DETAIL BUT A
A SMALL AND SIMPLE DETAIL BUT A VERY IMPORTANT POINT.
VERY IMPORTANT POINT. HOW MANY PAGES IS THE REPORT?
HOW MANY PAGES IS THE REPORT? AND AS OF LAST NIGHT AT THIS
AND AS OF LAST NIGHT AT THIS HOUR THE ONLY THING WE KNEW
HOUR THE ONLY THING WE KNEW ABOUT THAT WAS THAT IT WAS LESS
ABOUT THAT WAS THAT IT WAS LESS THAN 1,000 PAGES.
THAN 1,000 PAGES. BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT HOUSE
BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN JERRY NADLER SAID THE ATTORNEY
JERRY NADLER SAID THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TOLD HIM IN A TEN-MINUTE
GENERAL TOLD HIM IN A TEN-MINUTE PHONE CALL YESTERDAY.
PHONE CALL YESTERDAY. ACCORDING TO CHAIRMAN NADLER,
ACCORDING TO CHAIRMAN NADLER, THE FIRST THING HE ASKED ABOUT
THE FIRST THING HE ASKED ABOUT WAS THE LENGTH OF THE REPORT.
WAS THE LENGTH OF THE REPORT. CHAIRMAN NADLER DID NOT FEEL
CHAIRMAN NADLER DID NOT FEEL FREE TO ANSWER REPORTERS'
FREE TO ANSWER REPORTERS' SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE
SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LENGTH, BUT AFTER BEING PEPPERED
LENGTH, BUT AFTER BEING PEPPERED WITH QUESTIONS AND THROUGH A
WITH QUESTIONS AND THROUGH A PROCESS OF ELIMINATION SERIES OF
PROCESS OF ELIMINATION SERIES OF QUESTIONS HE AGREED TO THE
QUESTIONS HE AGREED TO THE NOTION THAT IT WAS LESS THAN
NOTION THAT IT WAS LESS THAN 1,000 PAGES.
1,000 PAGES. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL KNOWS THAT
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL KNOWS THAT THE LONGER THE REPORT THE MORE
THE LONGER THE REPORT THE MORE SUSPICIOUS HIS LETTER LOOKS.
SUSPICIOUS HIS LETTER LOOKS. HOW COULD THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
HOW COULD THE ATTORNEY GENERAL DIGEST A 1,000-PAGE REPORT AND
DIGEST A 1,000-PAGE REPORT AND WRITE A CONCLUSIVE SUMMARY OF IT
WRITE A CONCLUSIVE SUMMARY OF IT IN 48 HOURS ON FOUR PAGES OF
IN 48 HOURS ON FOUR PAGES OF JUSTICE DEPARTMENT STATIONERY?
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT STATIONERY? SO TODAY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT
SO TODAY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAS LEAKED TO EVERYONE IN THE
HAS LEAKED TO EVERYONE IN THE NEWS MEDIA, NBC NEWS, "THE NEW
NEWS MEDIA, NBC NEWS, "THE NEW YORK TIMES," THE "WALL STREET
YORK TIMES," THE "WALL STREET JOURNAL," THE "WASHINGTON POST,"
JOURNAL," THE "WASHINGTON POST," EVERYONE HAS BEEN GIVEN
EVERYONE HAS BEEN GIVEN ESSENTIALLY THE SAME LEAK ABOUT
ESSENTIALLY THE SAME LEAK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF PAGES.
THE NUMBER OF PAGES. AND THAT LEAK IS PULLING THE
AND THAT LEAK IS PULLING THE NUMBER OF PAGES DOWN FROM AN
NUMBER OF PAGES DOWN FROM AN ESTIMATE OF 700 PAGES THAT FOX
ESTIMATE OF 700 PAGES THAT FOX NEWS OFFERED TO THE UNDER 1,000
NEWS OFFERED TO THE UNDER 1,000 THAT CHAIRMAN NADLER OFFERED.
THAT CHAIRMAN NADLER OFFERED. THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAS
THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAS DECIDED IT URGENTLY NEEDS TO
DECIDED IT URGENTLY NEEDS TO LEAK A LOWER NUMBER OF PAGES
LEAK A LOWER NUMBER OF PAGES BECAUSE THAT APPARENTLY SEEMS
BECAUSE THAT APPARENTLY SEEMS HELPFUL TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.
HELPFUL TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. THE FEWER THE PAGES THE EASIER
THE FEWER THE PAGES THE EASIER IT WOULD BE FOR HIM IN 48 HOURS
IT WOULD BE FOR HIM IN 48 HOURS TO COME UP WITH HIS FOUR PAGES.
TO COME UP WITH HIS FOUR PAGES. SO "THE NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTS
SO "THE NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTS THE STILL SECRET REPORT ON
THE STILL SECRET REPORT ON RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016
RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016 ELECTION SUBMITTED BY THE
ELECTION SUBMITTED BY THE SPECIAL COUNSEL ROBERT S.
SPECIAL COUNSEL ROBERT S. MUELLER III LAST WEEK WAS MORE
MUELLER III LAST WEEK WAS MORE THAN 300 PAGES LONG ACCORDING TO
THAN 300 PAGES LONG ACCORDING TO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.
THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. IT RAISES QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT
IT RAISES QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT MR. BARR MIGHT HAVE LEFT OUT OF
MR. BARR MIGHT HAVE LEFT OUT OF THE FOUR DENSE PAGES HE SENT TO
THE FOUR DENSE PAGES HE SENT TO CONGRESS.
CONGRESS. NO KIDDING.
NO KIDDING. I GUESS IT DOES DO THAT.
I GUESS IT DOES DO THAT. BUT YOU KNOW, A LOT OF US HAD
BUT YOU KNOW, A LOT OF US HAD THOSE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE KNEW
THOSE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE KNEW HOW MANY HUNDREDS OF PAGES THE
HOW MANY HUNDREDS OF PAGES THE REPORT MIGHT BE.
REPORT MIGHT BE. THE "WALL STREET JOURNAL"
THE "WALL STREET JOURNAL" REPORTS A PERSON FAMILIAR WITH
REPORTS A PERSON FAMILIAR WITH THE MATTER SAID IT RUNS BETWEEN
THE MATTER SAID IT RUNS BETWEEN 300 AND 400 PAGES, NOT INCLUDING
300 AND 400 PAGES, NOT INCLUDING EXHIBITS.
EXHIBITS. REALLY?
REALLY? NOT INCLUDING EXHIBITS?
NOT INCLUDING EXHIBITS? EXHIBITS AND INDICES AND
EXHIBITS AND INDICES AND SUPPLEMENTARY MATERIAL AND
SUPPLEMENTARY MATERIAL AND GOVERNMENT REPORTS LIKE THIS
GOVERNMENT REPORTS LIKE THIS COULD RUN HUNDREDS OF PAGES
COULD RUN HUNDREDS OF PAGES THEMSELVES.
THEMSELVES. AND SO THE FOX NEWS REPORT LAST
AND SO THE FOX NEWS REPORT LAST NIGHT BY FORMER JUDGE ANDREW
NIGHT BY FORMER JUDGE ANDREW THATNAPOLITANO THAT THE REPORT W
THATNAPOLITANO THAT THE REPORT W 700 PAGES LONG MIGHT STILL BE
700 PAGES LONG MIGHT STILL BE TRUE.
TRUE. OR THE FULL REPORT COULD BE OVER
OR THE FULL REPORT COULD BE OVER 900 PAGES.
900 PAGES. WE DON'T KNOW.
WE DON'T KNOW. IT COULD EASILY BE THE LONGEST
IT COULD EASILY BE THE LONGEST SPECIAL PROSECUTOR'S REPORT IN
SPECIAL PROSECUTOR'S REPORT IN HISTORY.
HISTORY. WE DON'T KNOW.
WE DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE
WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE MUELLER REPORT.
MUELLER REPORT. THAT IS WHY OUR FIRST GUEST
THAT IS WHY OUR FIRST GUEST TONIGHT, QUINTA JURECIK, WROTE
TONIGHT, QUINTA JURECIK, WROTE IN "THE ATLANTIC," "THIS IS A
IN "THE ATLANTIC," "THIS IS A TIME OF SUSPENDED ANIMATION.
TIME OF SUSPENDED ANIMATION. AFTER THE INVESTIGATORS HAVE
AFTER THE INVESTIGATORS HAVE FINISHED THEIR WORK BUT BEFORE
FINISHED THEIR WORK BUT BEFORE IT'S CLEAR PRECISELY WHAT THE
IT'S CLEAR PRECISELY WHAT THE CONCLUSION OF THAT WORK MEANS."
CONCLUSION OF THAT WORK MEANS." SUSPENDED ANIMATION.
SUSPENDED ANIMATION. AND MOST OF THE NEWS MEDIA IS
AND MOST OF THE NEWS MEDIA IS JUST NOW STARTING TO REALIZE
JUST NOW STARTING TO REALIZE THAT THEY WILDLY LEAPT TO
THAT THEY WILDLY LEAPT TO CONCLUSIONS ABOUT THE MUELLER
CONCLUSIONS ABOUT THE MUELLER REPORT BASED ON THE BARR LETTER,
REPORT BASED ON THE BARR LETTER, THE FOUR-PAGE BARR LETTER.
THE FOUR-PAGE BARR LETTER. THE LONGER THE LITTLE BARR
THE LONGER THE LITTLE BARR LETTER REMAINS THE ONLY PUBLIC
LETTER REMAINS THE ONLY PUBLIC DOCUMENT ABOUT THE MUELLER
DOCUMENT ABOUT THE MUELLER REPORT, THE MORE INDIGNANT
REPORT, THE MORE INDIGNANT DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS ARE
DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS ARE GETTING.
GETTING. >> FOR MR. BARR TO QUICKLY ISSUE
>> FOR MR. BARR TO QUICKLY ISSUE A FOUR-PAGE REPORT IN HIS
A FOUR-PAGE REPORT IN HIS ATTEMPT TO TRY TO EXONERATE
ATTEMPT TO TRY TO EXONERATE PRESIDENT TRUMP AND NOW TO DELAY
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND NOW TO DELAY THE RELEASE OF AN OVER 300-PAGE
THE RELEASE OF AN OVER 300-PAGE REPORT WRITTEN BY MUELLER SO THE
REPORT WRITTEN BY MUELLER SO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND WE SENATORS
AMERICAN PEOPLE AND WE SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN CAN SEE WHAT WAS
AND CONGRESSMEN CAN SEE WHAT WAS WRITTEN HAS TOO MUCH OF THE ODOR
WRITTEN HAS TOO MUCH OF THE ODOR OF POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY TO HELP
OF POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY TO HELP THE MAN WHO APPOINTED HIM,
THE MAN WHO APPOINTED HIM, PRESIDENT TRUMP.
PRESIDENT TRUMP. >> I HAVE SAID, AND I'LL SAY
>> I HAVE SAID, AND I'LL SAY AGAIN, NO THANK YOU, MR.
AGAIN, NO THANK YOU, MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL.
ATTORNEY GENERAL. WE DO NOT NEED YOUR
WE DO NOT NEED YOUR INTERPRETATION.
INTERPRETATION. SHOW US THE -- SHOW US THE
SHOW US THE -- SHOW US THE REPORT.
REPORT. AND WE CAN DRAW OUR OWN
AND WE CAN DRAW OUR OWN CONCLUSIONS.
CONCLUSIONS. WE DON'T NEED YOU INTERPRETING
WE DON'T NEED YOU INTERPRETING FOR US.
FOR US. IT WAS CONDESCENDING.
IT WAS CONDESCENDING. IT WAS ARROGANT.
IT WAS ARROGANT. AND IT WASN'T THE RIGHT THING TO
AND IT WASN'T THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
DO. >> LEADING OFF OUR DISCUSSION
>> LEADING OFF OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT IS THE JOURNALIST WHO
TONIGHT IS THE JOURNALIST WHO GAVE US THAT PERFECT PHRASE FOR
GAVE US THAT PERFECT PHRASE FOR WHERE THIS STORY IS NOW
WHERE THIS STORY IS NOW SUSPENDED ANIMATION.
SUSPENDED ANIMATION. QUINTA JURECIK IS MANAGING
QUINTA JURECIK IS MANAGING EDITOR OF LAWFARE, A WEBSITE
EDITOR OF LAWFARE, A WEBSITE DEVOTED TO NATIONAL SECURITY
DEVOTED TO NATIONAL SECURITY LAW.
LAW. SHE'S ALSO A CONTRIBUTING WRITER
SHE'S ALSO A CONTRIBUTING WRITER TO "THE ATLANTIC."
TO "THE ATLANTIC." SHE'S BEEN FOLLOWING EVERY TWIST
SHE'S BEEN FOLLOWING EVERY TWIST AND TURN IN THE MUELLER
AND TURN IN THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION. AND SHE IS PATIENTLY AWAITING
AND SHE IS PATIENTLY AWAITING THE MUELLER REPORT.
THE MUELLER REPORT. SHE'S NOT ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO
SHE'S NOT ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO LEAPT TO ANY BIG CONCLUSIONS
LEAPT TO ANY BIG CONCLUSIONS ABOUT THE MUELLER REPORT BASED
ABOUT THE MUELLER REPORT BASED ON THE BARR LETTER.
ON THE BARR LETTER. ALSO LEADING OFF OUR DISCUSSION
ALSO LEADING OFF OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT IS RON CLAIN, WHO HAS
TONIGHT IS RON CLAIN, WHO HAS DONE SO MANY THINGS IN
DONE SO MANY THINGS IN GOVERNMENT THAT MAKE HIM AN
GOVERNMENT THAT MAKE HIM AN EXPERT ON THE STATE OF SUSPENDED
EXPERT ON THE STATE OF SUSPENDED ANIMATION WE ARE FLOATING IN
ANIMATION WE ARE FLOATING IN NOW.
NOW. HE WAS A CLINTON WHITE HOUSE
HE WAS A CLINTON WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL WHEN KENNETH STARR
OFFICIAL WHEN KENNETH STARR DELIVERED HIS SPECIAL
DELIVERED HIS SPECIAL PROSECUTOR'S REPORT TO THE
PROSECUTOR'S REPORT TO THE CONGRESS AND THE PUBLIC ABOUT
CONGRESS AND THE PUBLIC ABOUT PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON.
PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON. HE HAS JUSTICE DEPARTMENT
HE HAS JUSTICE DEPARTMENT EXPERIENCE AS CHIEF OF STAFF TO
EXPERIENCE AS CHIEF OF STAFF TO ATTORNEY GENERAL JANET RENO.
ATTORNEY GENERAL JANET RENO. HE WAS COUNSEL TO THE SENATE
HE WAS COUNSEL TO THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AND THE
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AND THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION AND ADVISER
OBAMA ADMINISTRATION AND ADVISER TO VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN AND
TO VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN AND PRESIDENT OBAMA.
PRESIDENT OBAMA. THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH FOR
THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US TONIGHT AND STARTING
JOINING US TONIGHT AND STARTING OFF THIS DISCUSSION.
OFF THIS DISCUSSION. AND QUINTA, HOW DOES IT FEEL,
AND QUINTA, HOW DOES IT FEEL, BECAUSE YOU'RE ONE OF THE FIRST
BECAUSE YOU'RE ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE WHO TRIED TO TELL AT
PEOPLE WHO TRIED TO TELL AT LEAST THE JOURNALISTIC WORLD
LEAST THE JOURNALISTIC WORLD SLOW DOWN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT
SLOW DOWN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU THINK WE KNOW.
YOU THINK WE KNOW. IT SEEMS LIKE THE MEDIA IS
IT SEEMS LIKE THE MEDIA IS CATCHING UP TO THEIR OWN
CATCHING UP TO THEIR OWN IGNORANCE ABOUT -- I SHOULD SAY
IGNORANCE ABOUT -- I SHOULD SAY OUR OWN IGNORANCE ABOUT THE
OUR OWN IGNORANCE ABOUT THE MUELLER REPORT.
MUELLER REPORT. >> WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M THE
>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M THE FIRST.
FIRST. BUT YES, I THINK THAT AS TIME
BUT YES, I THINK THAT AS TIME GOES ON THE MEDIA DOES SEEM TO
GOES ON THE MEDIA DOES SEEM TO BE SORT OF CATCHING UP TO THIS
BE SORT OF CATCHING UP TO THIS PLACE.
PLACE. AS YOU SAY, REALIZING HOW LITTLE
AS YOU SAY, REALIZING HOW LITTLE WE KNOW TO THE POINT WHERE NOW
WE KNOW TO THE POINT WHERE NOW AS YOU POINTED OUT WE'RE REALLY
AS YOU POINTED OUT WE'RE REALLY JUST HAGGLING OVER PAGE NUMBERS.
JUST HAGGLING OVER PAGE NUMBERS. BETWEEN 300 AND 400 PAGES.
BETWEEN 300 AND 400 PAGES. BUT THERE'S SO MUCH THAT COULD
BUT THERE'S SO MUCH THAT COULD BE CONTAINED.
BE CONTAINED. AND WE'RE REALLY JUST WAITING
AND WE'RE REALLY JUST WAITING UNTIL THE ATTORNEY GENERAL GIVES
UNTIL THE ATTORNEY GENERAL GIVES US MORE TO DEAL WITH.
US MORE TO DEAL WITH. >> AND RON, THIS PAGE NUMBER
>> AND RON, THIS PAGE NUMBER ISSUE, WHICH WE'VE LITERALLY
ISSUE, WHICH WE'VE LITERALLY COVERED EVERY NIGHT THIS WEEK,
COVERED EVERY NIGHT THIS WEEK, THERE'S BEEN A NEW PIECE OF
THERE'S BEEN A NEW PIECE OF INFORMATION ABOUT IT EVERY
INFORMATION ABOUT IT EVERY NIGHT, STARTING TUESDAY NIGHT.
NIGHT, STARTING TUESDAY NIGHT. THE PAGE NUMBER ISSUE IS OF
THE PAGE NUMBER ISSUE IS OF COURSE -- IN FACT, WHEN YOU HAVE
COURSE -- IN FACT, WHEN YOU HAVE NOTHING, IT'S HUGELY IMPORTANT
NOTHING, IT'S HUGELY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT GIVES YOU SOME SENSE
BECAUSE IT GIVES YOU SOME SENSE OF THE SCOPE OF THIS.
OF THE SCOPE OF THIS. AND IT WOULD START TO GIVE YOU
AND IT WOULD START TO GIVE YOU THE FEELING THAT WELL, THERE
THE FEELING THAT WELL, THERE MUST BE SEVERAL PAGES, FOR
MUST BE SEVERAL PAGES, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE ATTEMPT TO GET
EXAMPLE, ON THE ATTEMPT TO GET TESTIMONY OR AN INTERVIEW WITH
TESTIMONY OR AN INTERVIEW WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP.
PRESIDENT TRUMP. PROBABLY A NARRATIVE OF THAT
PROBABLY A NARRATIVE OF THAT THAT COULD VERY WELL INCLUDE
THAT COULD VERY WELL INCLUDE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TRUMP
DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TRUMP LAWYERS ABOUT THE FIFTH
LAWYERS ABOUT THE FIFTH AMENDMENT AND THE VARIOUS
AMENDMENT AND THE VARIOUS PROCEDURAL ROAD BLOCKS THAT
PROCEDURAL ROAD BLOCKS THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THROWN IN THE
MIGHT HAVE BEEN THROWN IN THE PROSECUTORS' WAY.
PROSECUTORS' WAY. >> LOOK, LAWRENCE, WE HAVE
>> LOOK, LAWRENCE, WE HAVE ACTUALLY EVEN LESS INFORMATION
ACTUALLY EVEN LESS INFORMATION THAN THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A
THAN THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A FOUR-PAGE MEMO FROM ATTORNEY
FOUR-PAGE MEMO FROM ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR THAT REFLECTS HIS
GENERAL BARR THAT REFLECTS HIS JOINT CONCLUSION WITH DEPUTY
JOINT CONCLUSION WITH DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL ROSENSTEIN
ATTORNEY GENERAL ROSENSTEIN ABOUT THE QUEF OBSTRUCTION.
ABOUT THE QUEF OBSTRUCTION. AND WHILE I DO THINK IN GENERAL
AND WHILE I DO THINK IN GENERAL BARR AND ROSENSTEIN ARE
BARR AND ROSENSTEIN ARE HONORABLE LAWYERS, ON THE
HONORABLE LAWYERS, ON THE PARTICULAR ISSUE OF OBSTRUCTION
PARTICULAR ISSUE OF OBSTRUCTION THEY BOTH HAD PECULIAR VIEWS.
THEY BOTH HAD PECULIAR VIEWS. BARR GOT THE JOB BECAUSE HE
BARR GOT THE JOB BECAUSE HE WROTE A MEMO TO TRUMP'S LAWYERS
WROTE A MEMO TO TRUMP'S LAWYERS SAYING THERE COULDN'T BE
SAYING THERE COULDN'T BE OBSTRUCTION HERE.
OBSTRUCTION HERE. AND ROSENSTEIN WROTE THE PAPER
AND ROSENSTEIN WROTE THE PAPER THAT TRUMP USED TO FIRE JIM
THAT TRUMP USED TO FIRE JIM COMEY IN THE FIRST PLACE.
COMEY IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO TAKING BARR AND ROSENSTEIN'S
SO TAKING BARR AND ROSENSTEIN'S WORD ON THE IDEA THAT THERE'S NO
WORD ON THE IDEA THAT THERE'S NO OBSTRUCTION HERE IS LIKE
OBSTRUCTION HERE IS LIKE BELIEVING YOGI AND BOOBOO WHEN
BELIEVING YOGI AND BOOBOO WHEN THEY SAY THERE ARE NO PICNIC
THEY SAY THERE ARE NO PICNIC BASKETS IN THE CAVE.
BASKETS IN THE CAVE. WE HAVE TO SEE THE FACTS AND WE
WE HAVE TO SEE THE FACTS AND WE HAVE TO SEE THE 300-PLUS PAGES
HAVE TO SEE THE 300-PLUS PAGES PLUS THE HUNDREDS MORE PAGES OF
PLUS THE HUNDREDS MORE PAGES OF ACTUAL EVIDENCE OF EXHIBITS, OF
ACTUAL EVIDENCE OF EXHIBITS, OF STATEMENTS, OF ALL THE OTHER
STATEMENTS, OF ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE WITH THIS
THINGS THAT ARE WITH THIS REPORT.
REPORT. UNTIL WE HAVE THAT WE JUST DON'T
UNTIL WE HAVE THAT WE JUST DON'T KNOW.
KNOW. >> AND QUINTA, NOW WE HAVE
>> AND QUINTA, NOW WE HAVE PEOPLE ON THE DEMOCRATIC HOUSE
PEOPLE ON THE DEMOCRATIC HOUSE TALKING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF
TALKING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING TO SUBPOENA IT.
HAVING TO SUBPOENA IT. THEY'RE ALREADY FEELING AS
THEY'RE ALREADY FEELING AS THOUGH ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR IS
THOUGH ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR IS UNLIKELY TO MEET THE DEADLINE OF
UNLIKELY TO MEET THE DEADLINE OF TUESDAY NEXT WEEK THAT THEY
TUESDAY NEXT WEEK THAT THEY INITIALLY SET FOR WHEN WE FIRST
INITIALLY SET FOR WHEN WE FIRST NEED TO SEE THE MUELLER REPORT.
NEED TO SEE THE MUELLER REPORT. >> YES, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
>> YES, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. AND I THINK THERE ARE GOOD AND
AND I THINK THERE ARE GOOD AND BAD REASONS WHY BARR MAY NOT BE
BAD REASONS WHY BARR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO MEET THAT DEADLINE.
ABLE TO MEET THAT DEADLINE. A GOOD REASON MIGHT BE IT REALLY
A GOOD REASON MIGHT BE IT REALLY IS A LONG DOCUMENT AND HE WANTS
IS A LONG DOCUMENT AND HE WANTS TO GO THROUGH IT THOROUGHLY.
TO GO THROUGH IT THOROUGHLY. YOU KNOW, THERE'S POTENTIALLY
YOU KNOW, THERE'S POTENTIALLY SENSITIVE CLASSIFIED INFORMATION
SENSITIVE CLASSIFIED INFORMATION OR INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED
OR INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED IN FRONT OF A GRAND JURY, WHICH
IN FRONT OF A GRAND JURY, WHICH IS LEGALLY PROTECTED.
IS LEGALLY PROTECTED. THE OTHER POSSIBILITY IS WHAT
THE OTHER POSSIBILITY IS WHAT THE DEMOCRATS SEEM TO FEAR, IS
THE DEMOCRATS SEEM TO FEAR, IS THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MAY BE
THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MAY BE STONEWALLING.
STONEWALLING. AND I THINK THAT'S WHY THEY'RE
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY THEY'RE PUSHING SO HARD RIGHT NOW TO GET
PUSHING SO HARD RIGHT NOW TO GET BARR IN A POSITION WHERE THEY
BARR IN A POSITION WHERE THEY CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY WILL BE
CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE REPORT.
ABLE TO SEE THE REPORT. >> SO RON KLAIN, WE HAVE
>> SO RON KLAIN, WE HAVE EXTRAORDINARILY DIFFERENT
EXTRAORDINARILY DIFFERENT TREATMENT OF THE CHAIRMAN OF THE
TREATMENT OF THE CHAIRMAN OF THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE,
SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, WHICH IS NOW REPUBLICAN LINDSEY
WHICH IS NOW REPUBLICAN LINDSEY GRAHAM, THE COMMITTEE YOU USED
GRAHAM, THE COMMITTEE YOU USED TO WORK FOR, AND THE HOUSE
TO WORK FOR, AND THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, WHICH IS
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, WHICH IS DEMOCRATIC CHAIRMAN JERRY
DEMOCRATIC CHAIRMAN JERRY NADLER.
NADLER. ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR WENT OUT
ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR WENT OUT TO DINNER WITH LINDSEY GRAHAM.
TO DINNER WITH LINDSEY GRAHAM. WHICH GIVES A TERRIBLE
WHICH GIVES A TERRIBLE APPEARANCE AT THIS STAGE OF THE
APPEARANCE AT THIS STAGE OF THE GAME.
GAME. AND THEN JUST HAD A TEN-MINUTE
AND THEN JUST HAD A TEN-MINUTE PHONE CALL WITH JERRY NADLER.
PHONE CALL WITH JERRY NADLER. AND HERE'S A REPORT NBC NEWS HAS
AND HERE'S A REPORT NBC NEWS HAS ABOUT WHAT STAFF IS SAYING ABOUT
ABOUT WHAT STAFF IS SAYING ABOUT THE SITUATION WITH CHAIRMAN MAD
THE SITUATION WITH CHAIRMAN MAD PLERP AT
PLERP AT NADLER.
NADLER. AAT A THURSDAY HEARING SENIOR
AAT A THURSDAY HEARING SENIOR HOUSE DEMOCRATIC STAFF
HOUSE DEMOCRATIC STAFF ELABORATED ON A WEDNESDAY NIGHT
ELABORATED ON A WEDNESDAY NIGHT CALL BETWEEN BARR AND JUDICIARY
CALL BETWEEN BARR AND JUDICIARY CHAIRMAN JERROLD NADLER TELLING
CHAIRMAN JERROLD NADLER TELLING REPORTER BARR REFUSED TO COMMIT
REPORTER BARR REFUSED TO COMMIT TO ASKING A JUDGE TO RELEASE
TO ASKING A JUDGE TO RELEASE GRAND JURY INFORMATION TO
GRAND JURY INFORMATION TO CONGRESS AND THE STAFFERS
CONGRESS AND THE STAFFERS EMPHASIZED THAT BARR ALL BUT
EMPHASIZED THAT BARR ALL BUT REFUSED TO GIVE NADLER AN
REFUSED TO GIVE NADLER AN UNREDACTED COPY OF THE REPORT."
UNREDACTED COPY OF THE REPORT." YOUR REACTION TO THAT, RON.
YOUR REACTION TO THAT, RON. >> WELL, NOT ONLY IS THERE NO
>> WELL, NOT ONLY IS THERE NO JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT, WE'RE
JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT, WE'RE ACTUALLY NOW GOING BACKWARDS
ACTUALLY NOW GOING BACKWARDS FROM WATERGATE LEVEL PRECEDENTS.
FROM WATERGATE LEVEL PRECEDENTS. IN THE END AS YOU KNOW THE HOUSE
IN THE END AS YOU KNOW THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE GOT A HOLD
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE GOT A HOLD OF ALL THE MATERIALS THAT THE
OF ALL THE MATERIALS THAT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL -- SPECIAL
SPECIAL COUNSEL -- SPECIAL PROSECUTOR LEON JAWORSKI
PROSECUTOR LEON JAWORSKI DEVELOPED THERE IN PART BY USING
DEVELOPED THERE IN PART BY USING THE APPROPRIATE FEDERAL RULES TO
THE APPROPRIATE FEDERAL RULES TO GET THEM RELEASED FROM THE
GET THEM RELEASED FROM THE COURT.
COURT. AND I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE THAT
AND I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE THAT MAY HAVE TO HAPPEN HERE.
MAY HAVE TO HAPPEN HERE. I MEAN, LOOK, I THINK THERE MAY
I MEAN, LOOK, I THINK THERE MAY BE SEVERAL ROUNDS OF FIGHTING
BE SEVERAL ROUNDS OF FIGHTING ABOUT PRIVILEGE AND GRAND JURY
ABOUT PRIVILEGE AND GRAND JURY MATERIAL, ABOUT CLASSIFIED
MATERIAL, ABOUT CLASSIFIED MATERIAL, BUT IN THE END I THINK
MATERIAL, BUT IN THE END I THINK THE HOUSE AND SENATE JUDICIARY
THE HOUSE AND SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEES WILL SEE THIS REPORT.
COMMITTEES WILL SEE THIS REPORT. THEY ALSO HAVE OTHER LEVERAGE.
THEY ALSO HAVE OTHER LEVERAGE. THEY CAN CUT OFF FUNDING TO THE
THEY CAN CUT OFF FUNDING TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.
ATTORNEY GENERAL. AS I SAID, THEY CAN GO APPLY TO
AS I SAID, THEY CAN GO APPLY TO THE COURT FOR A RELEASE OF THE
THE COURT FOR A RELEASE OF THE GRAND JURY MATERIAL.
GRAND JURY MATERIAL. THERE'S A LOT OF TOOLS THEY
THERE'S A LOT OF TOOLS THEY HAVE.
HAVE. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GET THIS REPORT BY TUESDAY.
GET THIS REPORT BY TUESDAY. BUT THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP
BUT THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP FIGHTING UNTIL THEY GET IT.
FIGHTING UNTIL THEY GET IT. >> AND SO WE ARE IN A STATE OF
>> AND SO WE ARE IN A STATE OF SUSPENDED ANIMATION.
SUSPENDED ANIMATION. UNTIL AT LEAST TUESDAY AT THE
UNTIL AT LEAST TUESDAY AT THE VERY, VERY EARLIEST.
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