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>>> THIS IS "UP." THE ATTORNEY GENERAL BILL BARR
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL BILL BARR SAYS THE SPECIAL COUNSELOR'S
SAYS THE SPECIAL COUNSELOR'S REPORT, SOME 400 PAGES IN LENGTH
REPORT, SOME 400 PAGES IN LENGTH WILL BE SENT TO DIAWLAWMAKERS BY
WILL BE SENT TO DIAWLAWMAKERS BY APRIL.
APRIL. THAT IS NOT ENOUGH ACCORDING TO
THAT IS NOT ENOUGH ACCORDING TO LAWMAKERS.
LAWMAKERS. LAWMAKERS ARE SCHEDULED TO BE ON
LAWMAKERS ARE SCHEDULED TO BE ON RECESS FROM APRIL 13th TO APRIL
RECESS FROM APRIL 13th TO APRIL 8th 589 OF QUESTIONS REMAIN
8th 589 OF QUESTIONS REMAIN ABOUT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S
ABOUT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION. THE DECISION NOT TO SUBPOENA THE
THE DECISION NOT TO SUBPOENA THE PRESIDENT IS ONE OF THE
PRESIDENT IS ONE OF THE LINGERING MYSTERIES OF MUELLER'S
LINGERING MYSTERIES OF MUELLER'S 22-MONTH INVESTIGATION WHICH
22-MONTH INVESTIGATION WHICH CONCLUDED LAST WEEK.
CONCLUDED LAST WEEK. PHILLIP RUTGER CONTINUES, THE
PHILLIP RUTGER CONTINUES, THE PRESIDENT NOW BELIEVES KEEPING
PRESIDENT NOW BELIEVES KEEPING THEIR CLIENT FROM SITTING DOWN
THEIR CLIENT FROM SITTING DOWN WITH INVESTIGATORS WAS THEIR
WITH INVESTIGATORS WAS THEIR GREATEST VICTORY.
GREATEST VICTORY. ROCKETER MUELLER WAS PUSHING FOR
ROCKETER MUELLER WAS PUSHING FOR AN INTERVIEW WITH THE PRESIDENT
AN INTERVIEW WITH THE PRESIDENT BUT THE LEGAL TEAM WERE
BUT THE LEGAL TEAM WERE CONCERNED THE PRESIDENT WAS
CONCERNED THE PRESIDENT WAS PERGER HIMSELF.
PERGER HIMSELF. I'M GOING TO QUOTE FROM BILL
I'M GOING TO QUOTE FROM BILL BARR'S MEMO OF ON INSTRUCTION OF
BARR'S MEMO OF ON INSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.
JUSTICE. THE SPECIAL COUNSEL STATES THAT
THE SPECIAL COUNSEL STATES THAT WHILE THIS REPORT DOES NOT
WHILE THIS REPORT DOES NOT CONCLUDE THAT THE PRESIDENT
CONCLUDE THAT THE PRESIDENT COMMITTED A CRIME, IT ALSO DOES
COMMITTED A CRIME, IT ALSO DOES NOT EXONERATE HIM.
NOT EXONERATE HIM. CAN'T SAY THAT ENOUGH.
CAN'T SAY THAT ENOUGH. AN INTERVIEW WITH THE PRESIDENT
AN INTERVIEW WITH THE PRESIDENT WOULD HAVE BEEN PIVOTAL TO
WOULD HAVE BEEN PIVOTAL TO ASSESSING WHETHER OR NOT THE
ASSESSING WHETHER OR NOT THE PRESIDENT HAD INTENT.
PRESIDENT HAD INTENT. PHIL, THIS IS A GREAT PIECE.
PHIL, THIS IS A GREAT PIECE. HELP US UNDERSTAND WHY THIS
HELP US UNDERSTAND WHY THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN.
DIDN'T HAPPEN. WHY DID THEY GIVE UP, AS IT
WHY DID THEY GIVE UP, AS IT SEEMS THEY DID?
SEEMS THEY DID? >> HOPEFULLY IN THE FULL MUELLER
>> HOPEFULLY IN THE FULL MUELLER REPORT WE MIGHT SEE LATER THIS
REPORT WE MIGHT SEE LATER THIS MONTH, WE'LL GET SOME ANSWERS TO
MONTH, WE'LL GET SOME ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS.
THOSE QUESTIONS. THE INTERNAL DEBATES INSIDE THE
THE INTERNAL DEBATES INSIDE THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ARE BEING
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ARE BEING TIGHTLY HELD NOW AND WE'RE NOT
TIGHTLY HELD NOW AND WE'RE NOT SURE.
SURE. BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF
BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF FACTORS AT PLAY.
FACTORS AT PLAY. ONE IS THAT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL
ONE IS THAT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL MUELLER WAS NOT OPERATING WITH
MUELLER WAS NOT OPERATING WITH FULL INDEPENDENCE.
FULL INDEPENDENCE. HE WAS A SUBORDINATE TO THE
HE WAS A SUBORDINATE TO THE DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL, ROD
DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL, ROD ROSENSTEIN.
ROSENSTEIN. ROSENSTEIN, THROUGHOUT THIS
ROSENSTEIN, THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, FACED INCREDIBLE
PROCESS, FACED INCREDIBLE POLITICAL PRESSURE BOTH FROM
POLITICAL PRESSURE BOTH FROM REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS IN THE
REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
WHITE HOUSE. IF MUELLER WERE SO FAR
IF MUELLER WERE SO FAR SUBPOENAED THE PRESIDENT, IT
SUBPOENAED THE PRESIDENT, IT WOULD LIKERY HAVE INVOLVED A
WOULD LIKERY HAVE INVOLVED A COURT CHALLENGE.
COURT CHALLENGE. SO MUELLER WOULD HAVE NEEDED TO
SO MUELLER WOULD HAVE NEEDED TO HAVE A REAL JUSTIFICATION FOR
HAVE A REAL JUSTIFICATION FOR DOING THIS INTERVIEW THAT HE
DOING THIS INTERVIEW THAT HE COULD NOT HAVE OBTAINED
COULD NOT HAVE OBTAINED ELSEWHERE THROUGH OTHER
ELSEWHERE THROUGH OTHER DOCUMENTS OR OTHER WITNESSES.
DOCUMENTS OR OTHER WITNESSES. SO THE TRUMP LAWYERS TRIED TO
SO THE TRUMP LAWYERS TRIED TO DROWN THE SPECIAL COUNSEL WITH
DROWN THE SPECIAL COUNSEL WITH INFORMATION.
INFORMATION. THEY SUBMITTED SO MANY DIFFERENT
THEY SUBMITTED SO MANY DIFFERENT WITNESSES FROM THE WHITE HOUSE
WITNESSES FROM THE WHITE HOUSE AND ELSEWHERE TO SHED LIGHT ON
AND ELSEWHERE TO SHED LIGHT ON THE PRESIDENT'S INTENT SO THAT
THE PRESIDENT'S INTENT SO THAT MUELLER WOULD NOT NEED TO SIT
MUELLER WOULD NOT NEED TO SIT DOWN AND TALK TO THE PRESIDENT.
DOWN AND TALK TO THE PRESIDENT. >> ON THIS ISSUE OF PRECEDENT,
>> ON THIS ISSUE OF PRECEDENT, YES, THERE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN
YES, THERE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN PRESS DIDN'T HERE, BUT THEY HAD
PRESS DIDN'T HERE, BUT THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THE
THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THE FIGHT UP TO THE SUPREME COURT
FIGHT UP TO THE SUPREME COURT AND DETERMINE WHAT COULD AND
AND DETERMINE WHAT COULD AND COULD NOT HAVE BEEN DONE.
COULD NOT HAVE BEEN DONE. FOR THOSE WHO ASSUME THAT ON THE
FOR THOSE WHO ASSUME THAT ON THE ISSUE OF OBSTRUCTION OF JUST YOU
ISSUE OF OBSTRUCTION OF JUST YOU NEEDED TO HEAR FROM THE
NEEDED TO HEAR FROM THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF, THEY WERE
PRESIDENT HIMSELF, THEY WERE SURPRISED IT DOES NOT HAPPEN.
SURPRISED IT DOES NOT HAPPEN. >> THIS HAS BEEN MY BIG
>> THIS HAS BEEN MY BIG DISAGREEMENT, THERE IS NO
DISAGREEMENT, THERE IS NO PRECEDENT FOR THIS SO LET'S STOP
PRECEDENT FOR THIS SO LET'S STOP POINTING BACK REARWARD AND SAY,
POINTING BACK REARWARD AND SAY, OH, WELL, IN THIS YEAR, WE
OH, WELL, IN THIS YEAR, WE DIDN'T PURSUE THIS.
DIDN'T PURSUE THIS. WE HAVE NEVER HAD A CANDIDATE
WE HAVE NEVER HAD A CANDIDATE THAT HAS BEEN INVESTIGATED FOR
THAT HAS BEEN INVESTIGATED FOR SOMETHING LEADING INTO THE
SOMETHING LEADING INTO THE ELECTION AND RELATES TO WHETHER
ELECTION AND RELATES TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY WON THE ELECTION.
OR NOT THEY WON THE ELECTION. SO I THINK THE INTERVIEW NEEDED
SO I THINK THE INTERVIEW NEEDED TO HAPPEN.
TO HAPPEN. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S A
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S A RALLY, AN INTERVIEW, HE SAYS THE
RALLY, AN INTERVIEW, HE SAYS THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT HE SAID IN THE
OPPOSITE OF WHAT HE SAID IN THE LAST TIME YOU ASKED HIM A
LAST TIME YOU ASKED HIM A QUESTION.
QUESTION. SO I'M NOT SURE THAT PRESIDENT
SO I'M NOT SURE THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP WOULD EVEN BE ABLE TO TELL
TRUMP WOULD EVEN BE ABLE TO TELL YOU WHAT HE THOUGHT AT ANY GIVEN
YOU WHAT HE THOUGHT AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT BECAUSE HE CAN'T PREB OR
MOMENT BECAUSE HE CAN'T PREB OR HE SPEAKS IN THE OBJECT SIS
HE SPEAKS IN THE OBJECT SIS DIRECTION.
DIRECTION. >> THE PRESIDENT WELCOMED THIS
>> THE PRESIDENT WELCOMED THIS OR HE SAID TO AT LEAST HE SEEMED
OR HE SAID TO AT LEAST HE SEEMED CONTENT TO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY
CONTENT TO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN WITH THE MAN
TO SIT DOWN WITH THE MAN INVESTIGATIONING THE CAMPAIGN.
INVESTIGATIONING THE CAMPAIGN. >> HIS LAWYERS WERE BRILLIANT.
>> HIS LAWYERS WERE BRILLIANT. THEY EARNED THEIR PAY.
THEY EARNED THEIR PAY. BILL CLINTON ENDED UP GETTING IN
BILL CLINTON ENDED UP GETTING IN TROUBLE WHEN HE PERJURED
TROUBLE WHEN HE PERJURED HIMSELF.
HIMSELF. I WOULD HAVE NEVER LET MY CLIENT
I WOULD HAVE NEVER LET MY CLIENT DO IT AND HIS LAWYERS WERE GOOD
DO IT AND HIS LAWYERS WERE GOOD AND THEY EARNED THEIR PAY.
AND THEY EARNED THEIR PAY. IT WAS A SMART STRATEGY ON THEIR
IT WAS A SMART STRATEGY ON THEIR PART.
PART. >> THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM KEN
>> THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM KEN STARR'S INVESTIGATION.
STARR'S INVESTIGATION. PHIL IS TALKING ABOUT HOW CLOSED
PHIL IS TALKING ABOUT HOW CLOSED HIPS PEOPLE IN THE JUST
HIPS PEOPLE IN THE JUST DEPARTMENT ARE RIGHT NOW.
DEPARTMENT ARE RIGHT NOW. WHAT IS THE LESSON LEARNED FROM
WHAT IS THE LESSON LEARNED FROM THE WAY THIS WAS CONDUCTED, WHO
THE WAY THIS WAS CONDUCTED, WHO OVERSAW IT, DO YOU SEE THIS
OVERSAW IT, DO YOU SEE THIS EVOLVING IN THE WAY THIS
EVOLVING IN THE WAY THIS DEMOCRACY APPROACHES
DEMOCRACY APPROACHES INVESTIGATIONS LIKE THIS?
INVESTIGATIONS LIKE THIS? >> I HOPE THAT PEOPLE ARE
>> I HOPE THAT PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
STARTING TO THINK ABOUT THAT. THE TRUTH IS WE'RE STILL IN THE
THE TRUTH IS WE'RE STILL IN THE MIDST OF IT.
MIDST OF IT. IT'S STILL UNFOLDING.
IT'S STILL UNFOLDING. WE DON'T CENTRAL ARE THE
WE DON'T CENTRAL ARE THE PERSPECTIVE WE NEED YET.
PERSPECTIVE WE NEED YET. MY CONCERN OVER THE PAST WEEK
MY CONCERN OVER THE PAST WEEK HAS BEEN THE WAY THIS HAS PLAYED
HAS BEEN THE WAY THIS HAS PLAYED OUT, WHICH HAS BEEN IF NOT
OUT, WHICH HAS BEEN IF NOT POLITICIZED IN ACTUALITY
POLITICIZED IN ACTUALITY CERTAINLY GIVEN THE APPEARANCE
CERTAINLY GIVEN THE APPEARANCE OF BEING POLITICIZED.
OF BEING POLITICIZED. I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT
I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE FOCUS A LOT ABOUT
BECAUSE WE FOCUS A LOT ABOUT WHAT TRUMP'S PACE THINKS AND
WHAT TRUMP'S PACE THINKS AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT THE
WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT THE REALITY IS THEY'RE NOT A
REALITY IS THEY'RE NOT A MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY.
MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY. AND FROM THE MAJORITY OF THE
AND FROM THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY, THIS LOOKS LIKE A
COUNTRY, THIS LOOKS LIKE A SPECIAL COUCH THAT WAS UNDER THE
SPECIAL COUCH THAT WAS UNDER THE GUIDANCE OF A POLICE APPOINTEE
GUIDANCE OF A POLICE APPOINTEE BY THE PERSON BEING INVESTIGATED
BY THE PERSON BEING INVESTIGATED WHO HAPPENED TO BE THE PRESIDENT
WHO HAPPENED TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WHO HAS IN
OF THE UNITED STATES WHO HAS IN SOME WAY HIDDEN PART OF A REPORT
SOME WAY HIDDEN PART OF A REPORT FROM THE PUBLIC THAT GET TO THE
FROM THE PUBLIC THAT GET TO THE HEART OF THE STATE OF OUR
HEART OF THE STATE OF OUR DEMOCRACY AND WHETHER OR NOT
DEMOCRACY AND WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO BRING PEOPLE TO
WE'RE GOING TO BRING PEOPLE TO JUST OR THEY'RE ABOVE THE LAW
JUST OR THEY'RE ABOVE THE LAW BECAUSE THEY SIT IN THE WHITE
BECAUSE THEY SIT IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
HOUSE. SO THE IDEA THAT THIS PROCESS
SO THE IDEA THAT THIS PROCESS HASN'T BEEN PROTECTED IN THE WAY
HASN'T BEEN PROTECTED IN THE WAY THAT IT NEEDS TO BE ON A BEHALF
THAT IT NEEDS TO BE ON A BEHALF OF AMERICAN PEOPLE, THAT SHOULD
OF AMERICAN PEOPLE, THAT SHOULD BE A CONCERN TO NOT JUST
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